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  • #16
    Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
    its not my point......you think because track and field and swiming records fall that team sports also improve

    quite the contrary.........the league had many less teams by half back in Jim Browns day...and the NBA in Walt Fraziers day.....the talent today is in fact diluted.

    Great athletes "The Elite" come into this world every so often..........nothing to do with 5 hour energy drinks and Nautilis machines. Going back 20 years Magic, Bird and Michael Jordan dominated the NBA then........they would dominate it now

    I feel sorry for any young NFL fans who did not get to see Jim Brown and **** Butkus play.......remember these guys did not even lift weights........they were naturaly god given superior.....place them now in their prime and they would annihilate the NFL. Those guys never even got hurt.....never sat out a game. Today's over musculed, barbell bred primadonna's get hurt putting on their shoes.

    Their has been much discussion of late as to why modern athletes are always in the hospital and training rooms........the un-natural strength programs are likely the cause

    Lawrence Taylor never lifted a barbell.......nor did Homer Jones or Bob Hayes. Jack Stroud is universally regarded as he strongest Giants player ever. I met the guy as a young waiter......he had so much muscule on his back he looked like a side of beef
    I hear you and I can actually agree with this.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by alentown pa View Post
      you got to see him play correct? how wouldyou compare him to ELi and Simms..if you had to?
      correct......and many many times

      all three are very different ....but have some similarities

      all 3 share great arms, great poise, a nice ability to read defenses, and my favorite quality..... standing tall in the pocket until the very last second to get th throw off

      YA was very mobile as a 49er....but by the time he got to the Giants he was pretty statuesque

      Simms would probably be the most mobile of the 3 as Giants....which isn't saying a whole lot....


      it's really hard to compare them as players as far as the whole.."who was better"...argument

      different styles of offenses in different eras

      but as far as a pure arm standing still with no one rushing the passer...I would have to go YA

      everything else is subjective

      Eli will own the numbers....but all 3 were/are fantastic players

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      • #18
        Originally posted by egyptian420 View Post
        I don't even think Y.A Tittle (the poster on here) would agree with that assessment.
        Except you'd be wrong lol

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        • #19
          Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
          correct......and many many times

          all three are very different ....but have some similarities

          all 3 share great arms, great poise, a nice ability to read defenses, and my favorite quality..... standing tall in the pocket until the very last second to get th throw off

          YA was very mobile as a 49er....but by the time he got to the Giants he was pretty statuesque

          Simms would probably be the most mobile of the 3 as Giants....which isn't saying a whole lot....


          it's really hard to compare them as players as far as the whole.."who was better"...argument

          different styles of offenses in different eras

          but as far as a pure arm standing still with no one rushing the passer...I would have to go YA

          everything else is subjective

          Eli will own the numbers....but all 3 were/are fantastic players
          good stuff..lol about simms being the most mobile, he prbly was...I wish I could have seen YA play..from what ive seen Eli is the best.

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          • #20
            I'm curious to know where does poor Kerry Collins rank amongst Giants QB's? I mean the man did somewhat help pull us up from the depths of mediocrity. I'll remember that 41-0 beatdown of the Vikes forever. Lots of good memories with those Giants... some heartbreakers too but that comes with the territory.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by stormblue View Post
              YA only played here for 3 years.his career was SF49ers for 10 years.

              that's like calling Joe Montana the greatest KC Chief QB of all time.
              He was up there in KC though :P

              I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BurnerNYG View Post
                I'm curious to know where does poor Kerry Collins rank amongst Giants QB's? I mean the man did somewhat help pull us up from the depths of mediocrity. I'll remember that 41-0 beatdown of the Vikes forever. Lots of good memories with those Giants... some heartbreakers too but that comes with the territory.
                Kerry Collins

                rocket arm

                could not read a defense for his life

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                • #23
                  Yeah he did use to stare down the receivers a lot but when he was on he would carve up a defense like a Thanksgiving turkey. Those were rare moments though and I don't think there was a time when he backed up to make a pass when I didn't hold my breath. He got awfully hot in '02 though until the defense folded against San Fran and the refs cheated us. They had the nerve to issue an apology the following week which made me even sicker. Besides that, I thought we were on our way back to the Superbowl.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BurnerNYG View Post
                    Yeah he did use to stare down the receivers a lot but when he was on he would carve up a defense like a Thanksgiving turkey. Those were rare moments though and I don't think there was a time when he backed up to make a pass when I didn't hold my breath. He got awfully hot in '02 though until the defense folded against San Fran and the refs cheated us. They had the nerve to issue an apology the following week which made me even sicker. Besides that, I thought we were on our way back to the Superbowl.
                    agreed about kerry..when he would **** his arm back, you knew he was confident..sometimes he just looked lost

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                      did Joe Montana bring the Chiefs to 3 straight Superbowls.......nope

                      YA had this team in 3 straight Championships and is absolutely in the argument as not only one of the best NY Giant QBs.....but one of the best QBs the NFL has ever seen

                      he was completing over 60% of his passes and throwing for over 3000 yds and 30 plus TDs in the days when you could mug receivers

                      also in 14 game seasons
                      3 straight championship losses......couldn't win the big one
                      anyways with only a 4 year body of work to be classified as an all=time greatest on
                      any team is just ludicrous .
                      when Payton retires in 2 years is he gonna be the greatest Bronco ?
                      get real.
                      Last edited by stormblue; 11-18-2012, 12:02 PM.
                      due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                      my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                        did Joe Montana bring the Chiefs to 3 straight Superbowls.......nope

                        YA had this team in 3 straight Championships and is absolutely in the argument as not only one of the best NY Giant QBs.....but one of the best QBs the NFL has ever seen

                        he was completing over 60% of his passes and throwing for over 3000 yds and 30 plus TDs in the days when you could mug receivers

                        also in 14 game seasons
                        his last year in '64 , the Giants went 2-10-2
                        and YA had only 10 td's vs 22 pics.i don't even think Dave Brown can match that.
                        hey , he did really great for a temp hired gun.....but he wasn't a Giant long enough to qualify.

                        there were only 14 teams (10 of which sucked) and 2 divisions.....the championship was the ONLY playoff game.
                        he choked all 3 times......3 times 1 and done. (Romo-esque)
                        even Kerry Collins had a few post season wins (as an old hired gun....and equatable to YA as such)

                        this guy was one of the games all-time famous-for-nothing legends. Kelly...Tarkenton....there is
                        a long list of QB's with equal or better stats that never won anything.
                        he probably isn't even in the top 10 best of the ones without a ring.

                        Marino,Tarkenton,Moon,Kelly.....etc.

                        for the record...
                        26th all-time passing yards. which is very respectable ,but not top 10.
                        18th all time in TD's (242) pretty good , but still not even close to top 10.

                        the only thing YA tittle was in the top 10 in was.....
                        9th all-time in interceptions thrown.
                        he threw 248 int's , but only 242 TD's

                        he actually threw 6 more pics than td's.
                        not even Favre can say that !!

                        in the '61 championship game we got shut out 37 to nothing - Bart Starr 37 YA 0
                        in the '62 championship game our only score was a defensive touchdown . YA 0
                        in the '63 championship game , YA threw 5 pics.

                        overrated , over-hyped ....regular season stats but big choker in the big games.
                        Last edited by stormblue; 11-18-2012, 12:06 PM.
                        due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                        my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                          He was up there in KC though :P
                          you're right , he is probably #2 behind Len Dawson !! LOL
                          due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                          my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                            you're right , he is probably #2 behind Len Dawson !! LOL
                            I bet KC would like to have current-day 56 year-old Montana back... he'd probably be better than Cassel and Quinn.

                            Same thing with the Jets and 70-whatever Joe Namath.

                            I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                            • #29
                              I'm getting old watching YA play was really great, his passing ability made the game great!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BParcells777 View Post
                                I dont think football is dietary issue........Butkus was and still would be the best MLBer........Jim Brown the best RB........and on and on
                                You probably never saw those "stiffs" play

                                Could the present day Heat beat the 68 Knicks??? NO way......not even close
                                Couldn't agree with you more!
                                Players come and go on the Free Agency Merry-Go-Round, but the N.Y. Giants will always be here!

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