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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Why do you think MM got more targets? That number is essentially the same for every WR in the NFL. The ratio of tagets to productivity doesn't change much.
    The reason a guy gets targets is:
    1. He's on the field because he's better
    2. He's open
    3. He has the best chance on the field to make a play.
    Being on the field doesnt always mean you are the better player and you know this. If you are not on the field as much you wont be able to get open, and if your're not on the field you cant make a play. This isnt going anywhere lol. In every point you make, you leave out important information.

    you say manningham produced more, but you leave out the fact he has had a lot more opportunities than hixon.
    Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

    ~Big Mike~

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    • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
      2012 stats:

      Mario Manningham 30 receptions,343 yards(11.1 ypc) and 1 td
      Dominic Hixon 26 receptions, 380 yards(14.6 ypc)

      In 2012, Mario Manningham makes makes anywhere from $3.2 million to 4.2 Million depending on his incentives.

      In 2012, Domenik Hixon makes $615 k

      What were you saying?
      Please tell me ur not bringing up what mario's doing this yr in SF with a QB who passes very little compared to the giants and Hixon?? Thats pretty much the one thing most everyone managed to keep outta the debate because it means so very little... Obviously its a completely diffrent offense..

      Also, no ones debating weather or not we should of let mario go, with Nicks and Cruz pending FA'cy looming sooner then later, but the debate has gotten to a "mario better then hixon or hixon better then mario" debate more then anything..

      If Hixon were in SF, he'd not even be playing.. He'd be sitting behind Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, and Kyle Williams.. Shoot, they woulden't of had much interest in signing hixon, most likely...

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      • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
        2012 stats:

        Mario Manningham 30 receptions,343 yards(11.1 ypc) and 1 td
        Dominic Hixon 26 receptions, 380 yards(14.6 ypc)

        In 2012, Mario Manningham makes makes anywhere from $3.2 million to 4.2 Million depending on his incentives.

        In 2012, Domenik Hixon makes $615 k

        What were you saying?
        +1 ^
        due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
        my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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        • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
          Being on the field doesnt always mean you are the better player and you know this. If you are not on the field as much you wont be able to get open, and if your're not on the field you cant make a play. This isnt going anywhere lol. In every point you make, you leave out important information.

          you say manningham produced more, but you leave out the fact he has had a lot more opportunities than hixon.
          So what did Hixon do with his oppurtunity in 08? Sure, it looked like he was gonna be a stud for us and hellp really shoulder the load, but once defenses caught wind of him, the big games abruptly stopped.. Hes only scored 4tds in his entire career and had like 2 100yrd games..lol Sure, hes not had the opp's like Mario, but mario blew past em on the depth chart, and would be ahead of him now if he were here... And the funny thing is, Hixon and Mario arrived at about the same time, and yet mario still blew by em...

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          • bottom line here ....I just trust Hixon more......he doesn't make the mistake Mario made

            and spare me the ....why was Mario on the field over Hixon?

            I could add....why has Wilson not seen the field?
            why does Brown get no touches after being very productive?
            why does Diehl start when he is clearly less productive than his replacement ?


            ...and I'm out

            keep it clean fellas, no rabbit punches, and no blows below the belt

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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              MM was a raw rookie in 2008 and was hurt a good part of the season.

              Please tell me by what standard you are claiming that Hixon is better than Manningham.
              Its not production.
              Its not catches
              Its not yards
              Its not TD's
              Its not playoff performance.
              Its not play in the clutch.
              Its not who did Eli throw far more to.
              Its not big plays made at biggest moments.

              What is the standard?
              hixon is faster, catches the ball with his hands better, runs better routes.

              However he has had less opportunities than mario so of course mario will have better stats. Pretty much everything you mentioned on that list has to do with mario having more opportunities.

              Its funny that your list is about production and doesnt look something like this.

              its not speed
              its not catching
              its not route running

              You get the point.

              There is no point in replying any longer because you still continue to leave out important information. For example, you say its not catches, But its pretty evident that hixon has better hands. manningham made some key catches in some key situations, yes. But he always catches the ball with his body, bobbles it a lot, and often drops easy passes.

              Demarius thomas is a better receiver than manningham but manningham has had more overall production than him because he has had more opportunities. Sometimes you cant always look at stats.
              Last edited by Marvelousmik; 11-20-2012, 11:19 AM.
              Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

              ~Big Mike~

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              • ELI MANNING 2012 stats- 364Pass attempts 2641yrd


                ALEX SMITH 2012 stats- 216Pass attempts 1730yrd


                U were saying??lol Comparing the 2012 numbers are stupid.. Its like comparing the New York Yankees HR total to the Kansas City Royals..lol

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                • Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                  bottom line here ....I just trust Hixon more......he doesn't make the mistake Mario made

                  and spare me the ....why was Mario on the field over Hixon?

                  I could add....why has Wilson not seen the field?
                  why does Brown get no touches after being very productive?
                  why does Diehl start when he is clearly less productive than his replacement ?


                  ...and I'm out

                  keep it clean fellas, no rabbit punches, and no blows below the belt
                  haha im out too.
                  Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                  ~Big Mike~

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                  • Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                    but his intelligence regularly affected his production on the field

                    he could have been twice the player if he didn't make so many technical mistakes

                    his athletic ability is off the charts but unfortunately football is....well to quote John Madden..."99% of the game is half mental"......whatever that means

                    I think if Mario did grasp the game and the Giants offense a bit more we may have never seen the emergence of Victor Cruz

                    I respect everything good that Mario did for this team......but it does not erase the memory of all the mistakes he made that don't show up on the TV broadcast
                    I don't buy the "he didn't grasp the offense" rap either. thats more MB legend than anything else. I know its anecdotal but the pick at SF last year where MM broke one way and Eli threw the other was blamed on MM Aikman, but MM broke to the open spot and Eli threw it into triple coverage inside. These sight adjustments are about seeing the field and reacting. They aren't about being able to solve math problems.

                    But the point is that MM for whatever his faults and strengths were, was simply a far more productive and impactful player than Hixon ever was. He was a vital part of our offense and a key to our success. And played a vital role in our SB championship last year.
                    Hixon has never fulfilled that role with us. At least not on offense.
                    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                    • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                      hixon is faster, catches the ball with his hands better, runs better routes.

                      However he has had less opportunities than mario so of course mario will have better stats. There is no point in replying any longer because you still continue to leave out important information. For example, you say its not catches, But its pretty evident that hixon has better hands. manningham made some key catches in some key situations, yes. But he always catches the ball with his body, bobbles it a lot, and often drops easy passes.

                      Demarius thomas is a better receiver than manningham but manningham has had more overall production than him because he has had more opportunities. Sometimes you cant always look at stats.
                      Demariyous Thomas is in his 2nd yr...LOL Demariyous Thomas is in his first yr with a QB who actually throws the ball in his entire career, including College, as he was in a Option attack college at G.Tech.. He went from that to Tim Tebow..lol Now hes got Peyton manning, and hes one of the best WR's in all of football..lol Bad example... Hixons always had ELI, and Mario blew past em on the depth chart, and made big catches in the postseason, and our offense never struggled like it is now when nicks got hurt and was playing gimpy when we had mario to shoulder more of the load..

                      The 2worst stretches of offense i've seen from this team in awhile was toward end of 08 and now, both times when Dom Hixon was a decent part of the offense..

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                      • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                        hixon is faster, catches the ball with his hands better, runs better routes.

                        However he has had less opportunities than mario so of course mario will have better stats. Pretty much everything you mentioned on that list has to do with mario having more opportunities.

                        Its funny that your list is about production and doesnt look something like this.

                        its not speed
                        its not catching
                        its not route running

                        You get the point.

                        There is no point in replying any longer because you still continue to leave out important information. For example, you say its not catches, But its pretty evident that hixon has better hands. manningham made some key catches in some key situations, yes. But he always catches the ball with his body, bobbles it a lot, and often drops easy passes.

                        Demarius thomas is a better receiver than manningham but manningham has had more overall production than him because he has had more opportunities. Sometimes you cant always look at stats.
                        So how do you explain the HUGE difference in productivity and impact on the team with the same guy throwing the ball to each?
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          I do like Hixon...but the comparison between the two isn't even close. MM makes plays. He makes BIG plays. He turns 3 yard outs into 50 yard TD's. (see Dallas game a few years ago).
                          All this stuff about bad routes and being "dumb" is so overhyped. The kid had almost 1000 yards and 9 TD'd in 2010 in part time duty. Hixon has never approached that. Hixon is a role player. MM is a threat. No one is concerned that Domenik Hixon is going to burn them. MM has burned plenty of defenses.
                          8 of those tds in 2010 were over +20 yard tds.Thats pretty amazing imo. MM was a huge play maker here. Pity how many here forget

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                          • Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                            bottom line here ....I just trust Hixon more......he doesn't make the mistake Mario made

                            and spare me the ....why was Mario on the field over Hixon?

                            I could add....why has Wilson not seen the field?
                            why does Brown get no touches after being very productive?
                            why does Diehl start when he is clearly less productive than his replacement ?


                            ...and I'm out

                            keep it clean fellas, no rabbit punches, and no blows below the belt
                            The diffrence being is Hixon was here and playing before Mario.. Mario took Hixons spot and never relinqueshed it.. Do u think when Hixons a FA, any team is gonna offer him anything more then a cheap 1yr deal? Why do u think that is? Don't u find it strange, our offense is struggling like it is with Mario gone, and hixon fulfilling his roll? Also, Randle has just as many 60yrd games and 6catch games as hixon, and hes barley seen the field.. Hixon still has yet to score this yr as well.. Were way better off with Mario on this team when Nicks is gimpy and/or injured then we are with Hixon.. its not even close.. The nubmers hixon's putting up as a 3rd WR for us are insulting compared to what Mario was doing for us...

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                            • here's some stuff to think about ;

                              Barden catches 74% of his targets and averages 15,7 yards per catch
                              Hixon catches 65% of his targets and averages 14.6 yards per catch
                              Nicks catches 61% of his targets and averages 12.9 yards per catch
                              Cruz catches 61%% of his targets and averages 12.4 yards per catch
                              Randle catches 55% of his targets and averages 14.4 yards per catch

                              you folks see what you want to see ...not whats really going on.
                              due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                              my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                              • Last yr, Mario through 10games

                                36catches 4td's..

                                hixon 26catches 0tds.. And i'm to lazy to do the yardage, so i'm not gonna... but its alot mroe in mario's favor...

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