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  • #31
    Originally posted by GameTime View Post
    Whats the deal with the Mara thing....I missed that????
    The 36 Million Dollar cap penalty, released the day before free agency. It was brought up because I was reading through the threads and saw a few guys complaining that all redskins forums to is complain about Mara's cap penalty.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...nished-but-why
    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...skins-cap-mess

    Even Graziano, who I think everyone can agree is fair towards each of the East's teams was upset by it.

    I know most of this forum will be thinking "who cares, get over it", but in the opposite position it wouldn't be forgotten here either.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Kerrigan91 View Post
      The 36 Million Dollar cap penalty, released the day before free agency. It was brought up because I was reading through the threads and saw a few guys complaining that all redskins forums to is complain about Mara's cap penalty.

      http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...nished-but-why
      http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...skins-cap-mess

      Even Graziano, who I think everyone can agree is fair towards each of the East's teams was upset by it.

      I know most of this forum will be thinking "who cares, get over it", but in the opposite position it wouldn't be forgotten here either.
      Blame your owner for trying to play with the salary cap. But like many ill-informed fans they blame the person who put a stop to it.

      Giants fan since the early 80s

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kerrigan91 View Post
        The 36 Million Dollar cap penalty, released the day before free agency. It was brought up because I was reading through the threads and saw a few guys complaining that all redskins forums to is complain about Mara's cap penalty.

        http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...nished-but-why
        http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...skins-cap-mess

        Even Graziano, who I think everyone can agree is fair towards each of the East's teams was upset by it.

        I know most of this forum will be thinking "who cares, get over it", but in the opposite position it wouldn't be forgotten here either.
        I don't know why skins or coboys fans are so suprised. Why would anyone expect Snyder or Jones to honor a "gentlemen's:" agreement.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ny06 View Post
          Blame your owner for trying to play with the salary cap. But like many ill-informed fans they blame the person who put a stop to it.
          Explain how someone plays with a salary cap, when there is no such salary cap?

          Originally posted by Dwinsballgames View Post
          I don't know why skins or coboys fans are so suprised. Why would anyone expect Snyder or Jones to honor a "gentlemen's:" agreement.
          A gentlemen's agreement which is realistically called "collusion".
          Last edited by Kerrigan91; 11-28-2012, 03:14 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Kerrigan91 View Post
            Explain how someone plays with a salary cap, when there is no such salary cap?
            Ok, Redskins and Cowboys decided upon themselves to over pay on numerous contracts. When everyone knew the salary cap was going to be back the following season. Snyder and Jones gambled and got snagged.

            Giants fan since the early 80s

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kerrigan91 View Post
              Whoop? The first game was close, this game is home for the Redskins, with a bit healthier team. I highly doubt either side will "whoop" the other, but then again I may be looking at this rationally. There is a chance one can run away with it, but I'd say its more likely going to be a close game.

              My point with the Mara crap is I saw quite a few posts saying the fans shouldn't hate Mara and get over it. I don't see why they should forget about it. In fact, I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that you'd hate Snyder for doing it if it was the other way around. I don't make excuses for anyone, I don't play on the teams so its not my job to do so. Its simply the point that if the Redskins are competitive in the east while being docked 18mil (the day before free agency started), I'm guessing they'll be plenty competitive when they get the 18mil back. If you can't follow that thinking, then I am sorry.

              If Manning put up the numbers RG3 has his rookie year (or even 2nd year), Giants fans would've been ecstatic, and rightfully so. I had high expectations for his rookie year, but I didn't expect it to go this well. He had one bad game (Pitt), and even that game wasn't bad on his end, it was just recievers dropping passes left and right.
              I am not a huge fan of hyperbole but I will entertain you. I would predict that if the Giants FO drafted a scrambler type QB like Griffin, or Cunningham, Vick, Newton whomever that the fans would be, in the vast majority, anything but ecstatic.

              Noit taking away from RGIII, he is impressive, but that type of QB just gtes little respect in giants nation.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                we will still have a one full game lead in the division....
                and at least a tie for the #6 seed wild-card.
                If we lose on Monday the Skins are in the driver's seat. They will have only 1 loss in the division with three almost guaranteed wins in their schedule. That would put them at 9-7 and we would have to go 3-1 at least to win the division.

                I don't think people understand how important this game is. To me, the winner of this game wins the division and the loser is probably not making the playoffs.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ny06 View Post
                  Ok, Redskins and Cowboys decided upon themselves to over pay on numerous contracts. When everyone knew the salary cap was going to be back the following season. Snyder and Jones gambled and got snagged.
                  The next year is moot. What they did was done during the UNCAPPED year. Therefore, it was uncapped and they were fine to restructure contracts. The NFL even approved these contract adjustments as they happened.

                  Either the year was uncapped, or it was under a salary cap. Unless you can provide evidence that there was indeed an written, binding, salary cap none of the next years contracts mattered at all.

                  Originally posted by TextureDj View Post
                  I am not a huge fan of hyperbole but I will entertain you. I would predict that if the Giants FO drafted a scrambler type QB like Griffin, or Cunningham, Vick, Newton whomever that the fans would be, in the vast majority, anything but ecstatic.

                  Noit taking away from RGIII, he is impressive, but that type of QB just gtes little respect in giants nation.
                  I gotta call BS on that. I'd be happy with any QB, no matter their style if they are good and win games. So when Eli retires, you'll reach for a less impressive pocket passer, over a RG3, just because he can run a 4.4? Name one throw in the pocket that RG3 cannot make right now? His legs are simply an additional weapon, but his accuracy, throwing power, and poise are there whether his legs can move fast or not.
                  Last edited by Kerrigan91; 11-28-2012, 03:27 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    If we lose on Monday the Skins are in the driver's seat. They will have only 1 loss in the division with three almost guaranteed wins in their schedule. That would put them at 9-7 and we would have to go 3-1 at least to win the division.

                    I don't think people understand how important this game is. To me, the winner of this game wins the division and the loser is probably not making the playoffs.
                    its all very simple....
                    after the bye they have 6 games. 1 down and 5 to go. Each week is a one game sched. Win them all and there are no worries who else does what.
                    This game is huge. Just like last weeks and next weeks too....
                    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kerrigan91 View Post
                      The next year is moot. What they did was done during the UNCAPPED year. Therefore, it was uncapped and they were fine to restructure contracts. The NFL even approved these contract adjustments as they happened.

                      Either the year was uncapped, or it was under a salary cap. Unless you can provide evidence that there was indeed an written, binding, salary cap none of the next years contracts mattered at all.
                      there must have been something to it or else they would have been penalized....right???
                      "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                      You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                        there must have been something to it or else they would have been penalized....right???
                        That is what the NFL decided. Where it gets very fishy is that it was added into the new Salary Cap adjustments at the back end of the document. The Union signed it without knowing about it and now there is a lawsuit ongoing.

                        Mara came out and said publicly that the redskins and cowboys were "lucky they didn't take draft picks". Its that sort of back-room crap that annoyed redskins fans and cowboys fans, on top of their day they decided to release it, one day before NFL Free Agency began.

                        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/79...collusion-2010

                        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/83...lawsuit-league

                        http://abovethelaw.com/2012/05/sport...ollusion-suit/
                        1. The Recent Football Case is a Labor Case, Not an Antitrust Case: Generally when we think about collusion in professional sports, we think about violations of Section 1 of the Sherman Act, which states that “[e]very contract, combination … or conspiracy, in the restraint of trade or commerce … is declared to be illegal.” However, the recent lawsuit filed by the NFL Players Association is not based on Section 1 of the Sherman Act. Rather, it is filed under labor law, and argues that the NFL teams violated three distinct provisions of their last collective bargaining agreement that relate specifically to disallowing collusion. These provisions include:
                        • Article XIII(a) (Anti-Collusion): “No Club, its employees, or agents, shall enter into any agreement express or implied, with the NFL or any other Club …. to restrict or limit individual Club decision-making [with regards to] whether or not to negotiate with a player.”
                        • Article XV, Sect. 2: “Neither the parties hereto, nor any Club or player shall enter into an agreement …. to serve the purpose of defeating or circumventing the intention of the parties reflected by [aspects of the agreement related to] Total Revenues, Salary Cap, Entering Player Pool, and Minimum Team Salary …”
                        • Article XIX, Sect. 6: “Defendants … each pledge their best efforts and cooperation … to implement the provisions of the [collective bargaining agreement] in a manner consistent with good faith and fair dealing.”

                        and more Graziano on this topic, directly related to Mara:
                        http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...uld-be-talking

                        Mara is wrong because the only thing of which the Redskins and Cowboys are guilty is failing to honor a shady gentleman's agreement between 32 billionaires who don't want to pay their employees any more than they have to. What the NFL, Mara and the other owners did, effectively imposing a salary cap when none had been agreed to by the other party (i.e., the players) in their collective bargaining agreement, was patently wrong. To punish the teams that didn't go along with the wrong, and to so strenuously defend the punishment as though it were right, is the height of arrogance.
                        Last edited by Kerrigan91; 11-28-2012, 03:38 PM.

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                        • #42
                          We Meet Again !



                          I would Like the GMen to play, just a little More Aggresive ! than they did against the Packer's...........not that they didn't play great.... I feel RGlll is going to go Ballistic, he wants this game so bad he can taste it..........the GMen know, what has to be done! Triple team RGlll , Attack him on every snap ! and Win the game.


                          Go Giants !

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                          • #43
                            if we play like we did against san fran and green bay it will be a win.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              If we lose on Monday the Skins are in the driver's seat. They will have only 1 loss in the division with three almost guaranteed wins in their schedule. That would put them at 9-7 and we would have to go 3-1 at least to win the division.

                              I don't think people understand how important this game is. To me, the winner of this game wins the division and the loser is probably not making the playoffs.
                              i realize how important this game is, and all its ramifications , but that wasn't the OP's question.

                              "Beat Washington or"......the Giants are still one gane ahead and are still in the drivers seat. period.
                              the OP did not say "Beat Washington and then go 3 and 1", that is a different proposal.
                              due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                              my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                              • #45
                                i realize (pointed out by you , yourself , CC in another post) that the Giants would lose all tie-breakers with Skins or Cowboys.
                                we must therefore remain at least one game ahead of them to win the division.
                                a loss to Washington on MNF still leaves us 1 game ahead , and technically still in control of our own destiny.
                                due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                                my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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