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  • Bondy: RG3 & Co. Worthy Giants' Foes

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1209949

    Excerpt: "Old habits and hatreds die hard. It’s difficult for any blue-blooded Giant fan to admit out loud that the unraveling Eagles no longer pose a threat in the NFC East or that the Cowboys, too, are as harmless, soft and fluffy as a goose down pillow whenever the fourth quarter arrives.

    The real divisional threat now, and for the foreseeable future, resides instead near the Capital Beltway and bears a racist nickname that no respectful columnist should ever type. That would be Washington, the precocious, upstart football team waiting in ambush at FedEx Field on Monday night for the Super Bowl champs.


    Fortunately for Giants, they are taking notice — sort of.

    “They have a really good team, and it all starts with RG3,” Victor Cruz said on Wednesday, during a conference call. “They’re a team on the rise. I think they’re still a couple of pieces away from being contenders... whether it is defensively or wherever, but they’ve got to be in the conversation. They really do some good things. I put them in that conversation for sure.”

    That conversation is growing dense and complicated, like a Faulkner novel. The sound and the fury began in earnest after Cruz caught a 77-yard, game-winning touchdown with 1:13 left in the fourth quarter to beat Washington at MetLife Stadium in October. DeAngelo Hall then belittled the play, saying Eli Manning had very little to do with the score.

    “We gave him that play,” Hall said. “It wasn’t something where he was a rocket scientist and he figured something out. We just played that as bad as possible.”

    On Wednesday, Cruz insisted he and Manning actually had something to do with that pass. He also expressed his respect for rocket scientists, because Cruz has a sense of humor about these things.

    “It’s definitely high up there,” Cruz said, about the play. “To have a game-winning touchdown of 70-plus yards, a long bomb through the double team, sprinting through the end zone.”

    Plus a salsa. Never forget the salsa.

    The point is, however, that this rivalry could become something both fun and mean at the same time.

    Robert Griffin III is 22 years old and not going anywhere soon. Neither is running back Alfred Morris, 23, who already has gained 982 yards with six touchdowns in his rookie season, averaging 4.7 yards per carry. Washington always plays the Giants tough, beating them twice last year. It has the skill players to compete for many years to come, and is just starting to find its rhythm after rescuing its season with two straight victories." Read more...
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    I have lived in DC for 10 years. Under Snyder they will never be a good team. Trust me, they will find a way to blow it. This is just hype. RGIII's performance will dramatically decline each year he is in the league. A guy like him slows down over time, takes hits that makes him skiddish, and will run into different coaches and coordinators who don't know how to use his talents. Fans here are inpatient and emotional, if the Giants blow them out this week they will be calling for Shanahan's head like they were 2 weeks ago. Trust me, they won't be able to maintain any 2-3 game success they may have now beyond a 2-4 game win streak. There will be no championships under Dan Snyder.

    All this nonsense sounds like what they were saying about Vick and the Eagles "dream team" 2 years ago. Look were they have been the past 2 seasons. A joke.

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    • #3
      They should be smarter with RGIII than the Eagles wre with Vick. The Redskins running back shoiuld get the vast majority of carries to keep Griffin healthy. I know it's showy to see the QB runnung down the field, but it's career shortening as well. Griffin has already misse at least one game I think, and Vick has missed several. Eli, by comparisoin, has missed exactly none.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #4
        I also think the Redskins are the biggest competition for the Giants today in the NFC East. RGIII is the real deal, and while he plays for a divisional rival, it is hard not to like the guy. He is talented on the field and humble off the field. The guy comes across as being very intelligent and articulate to boot.... He has the athletic ability of a Cam Newton but without all the attitude.

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        • #5
          Say what you want about a single player being "exciting" or "electric". The Redskins are a 5-6 team. . .the type of team the defending champions should beat.

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          • #6
            I guess I just don't get it. Why does RG3 and the Redskins get so much hype? So the 5-6 team beat the lowely Cowboys. We are reigning Super Bowl champs, have a 7-4 record, a 2 time Super Bowl MVP and are coming off a big win over Green Bay and still do not get any respect.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by krankeybluechick View Post
              I guess I just don't get it. Why does RG3 and the Redskins get so much hype? So the 5-6 team beat the lowely Cowboys. We are reigning Super Bowl champs, have a 7-4 record, a 2 time Super Bowl MVP and are coming off a big win over Green Bay and still do not get any respect.
              No pressure on the Skins with their rookie QB. Every win is a bonus and he has won in exciting fashion at times. The Skins can do no wrong with a rookie QB like RG........for now....
              "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
              You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                No pressure on the Skins with their rookie QB. Every win is a bonus and he has won in exciting fashion at times. The Skins can do no wrong with a rookie QB like RG........for now....
                I get that but he's only played 11 games and they talk about him like he is the second coming of ch**st. Don't get me wrong I think he is a good and exciting QB but they should wait until he has at least 2 yrs under his belt before they canonize him. We have a 2 time Super Bowl MVP who still gets no respect. Just my rant of the day :P
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                • #9
                  Exactly, my feeling is that one player can not make a team (except for Peyton Manning). Especially with the style that Griffin plays, he will be hit a lot. Let's also not forget that the Redskins gave up an awful lot to get him, and that includes future draft picks. They have yet to "pay the piper".

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                  • #10
                    Don't ya know? We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL. We can continue to stomp teams like SF/GB who have recieved their worst beatings of the yr at our hands & the NFL experts will still say they are a better team than us! We could face NE for a 3rd time in the SB & once again, they'll be favored to beat us.

                    Truth be told, I could give a f&^% about the lack of respect that so called experts, players on other teams & their fan base give us, as long as we're the ones hoisting that Lombardi trophy high in the air in Feb, they can keep drinking the haterade!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by krankeybluechick View Post
                      I guess I just don't get it. Why does RG3 and the Redskins get so much hype? So the 5-6 team beat the lowely Cowboys. We are reigning Super Bowl champs, have a 7-4 record, a 2 time Super Bowl MVP and are coming off a big win over Green Bay and still do not get any respect.
                      Griffin gets so much hype because he's having such an insanely impressive season. Not only is he a highlight machine, the guy has a ridiculous 4:1 TD to INT ratio, and 67.4% completion percentage. Any QB would love to have that line.

                      As for the Giants getting no respect - come on now. Really? They're constantly referred to as one of the best teams in the league, and Eli, one of the best QBs. This is in spite of their recent string of incompetent performances.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Parademon View Post
                        Don't ya know? We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL. We can continue to stomp teams like SF/GB who have recieved their worst beatings of the yr at our hands & the NFL experts will still say they are a better team than us! We could face NE for a 3rd time in the SB & once again, they'll be favored to beat us.

                        Truth be told, I could give a f&^% about the lack of respect that so called experts, players on other teams & their fan base give us, as long as we're the ones hoisting that Lombardi trophy high in the air in Feb, they can keep drinking the haterade!
                        That's it in a nutshell, isn't it? Talk is cheap, just play the game. This game is not played in the paper, or buy the media, or with talk, or in Madden. It's played on the field.

                        Strap it on and play the game. The best team that day will win the game. End of story. All In. Go GIANTS!!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          I unfortunately live in Washington. The sportscasters are as good as the theater in DC - not. They are delusional about Grif. If you analyze his performances, he is never put in difficult situations. He ususally dumps the ball off. That is why he has a high completion percentage. His big passes have been against poor defensive backs (including a Giant) after play action. The way to beat Grif is to contain him, make him pass beyond the first read and cover. Knocking him on his keyster about 20 times a game will help to tenderize him. By the way, I do think he is talented. He is on TV here all the time which is hard to take considering what an ugly face he has been cursed with

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rebelfan1966 View Post
                            I also think the Redskins are the biggest competition for the Giants today in the NFC East. RGIII is the real deal, and while he plays for a divisional rival, it is hard not to like the guy. He is talented on the field and humble off the field. The guy comes across as being very intelligent and articulate to boot.... He has the athletic ability of a Cam Newton but without all the attitude.
                            Actually he does have a very smug attitude. He claimed “I shouldn’t be compared to Cam Newton. I should be compared to Aaron Rodgers.” Yeah. Okay. The guy is the flavor of the month in NFL, nothing more.

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                            • #15
                              Skins fan here and Ill give my POV. I do think you guys are underrating us in the hype catagory. At the end of the day your boy Parcells is right in that you are what your record says you are but we arent any regular 5-6 team.'

                              Lets examine the 6 losses. Lets take the 4 losses first. We had a 4th quarter lead in all of them except for Cincy in which we were tied. Its not like we were getting blown out. We lost leads. Our 1st loss came at STL in which we led I think 21-6. Thats the game we lost Orakpo & Carrackter in. Thats already coming off of our 2 starting Safties in Merriweather & Jackson being out for injury & suspension. The Rams came back and took the lead because of the D. Nothing to do with RG3. Still, we are down 3 late but driving. Its 3rd down and thats when RG3 hits Morgan who made 2 huge mistakes. One mistake is that if he turns inside he has an easy 1st down and we probably end up sconring a TD with the momentum. Instead he goes outside, gets tackled short, then gets a 15yd penalty for throwing the ball at Finnegan. Then Cundiff goes on to miss the FG and we lose by 3. Keep in mind we were without Garcon who got hurt in the 1st quarter of he st game of the year. Our O was suppose to be based on him.

                              Next L is at Cincy. I talked on here about how the Shanny's go conservative at home for some reason but whatever. Again, we are without a ton of defensive starters and then our other best player on O in Trent Williams goes down. Jordan Black who was out the league just months before, comes in and gets destroyed. RG3 got lit up. We go down 24-7. We come all the way back to tie it up in the 4th 24-24. The game game ends with us again driving in Cincy teriitory down 38-31. Its actually 1st down from there 19 when we give up a late sack followed by a penalty on Kyle Shannahan which dooms us.

                              Our 3rd loss came against the undefeated Falcons. Shanny goes conservative again but we are actually leading them 10-7 with 2min left in the 3rd and we have the ball when Cousins comes in the game for an injuried RG3. Are you trrying to say that we had no chance to win that game if RG3 stays in? The 4th loss was to you and we all know what happened in that one. The last 2 losses were a lil more convincing but the Pitt game aided by the 12 drops which even the Pitt fans said drasitcally changed the game.

                              We have the bye. Merriweather comes back and loooks like a straight beast. Leading us in tackles, monster hits, and in interception in his 1st game of the year. He does that all in one half and tears his acl. Gone for the year. If we didnt have the injuries on D then we look totally different. If we have Garcon and or Davis then we look alot different. Dont forget we thought Jamal Brown would finally be healthy thsi year but his missed the whole season. We start Tyler Polumbo who may just be the worst tackle in the league.

                              The biggest thing was Garcon. He changes everything. We are 4-1 wth him in the lineup even though he's only been healthy for 1 quarter until last game. He's still not healthy but its the best he's felt since that opening quarter. Then you factor in RG3 is a rookie so you can tell the coach was holding him back some early but is not doing that at all now. Are alot of what I said excuses? Sure but Im just trying to say why some are hyping us moreso then you normally would a 5-6 team. People think if we get Garcon, Davis, Brown, Merriweather, Rak, Jackson, etc...... healthy next year then we could be very good, thats not including adding other pieces.

                              Someone said we wont win because of Snyder but thats not true. Snyder is strictly an owner now. Bruce Allen is the GM and Shanny makes all the decisions. We mgiht not win but it wont be because of Snyder is doing stuff. He's turned it all over to them. I think right now we are playing our best ball of the year. Sure it was Philly & Dallas but we probably wouldnt have beat them before teh bye and we definitley wouldnt have beat them like we did. We got healthier and energized while there is now no chains on the O. The whole playbook is open. Again, RG3's 300 yard games have all came with Garcon in the lineup even though he's only played a few games. Thats why we are 4-1 with him even when he hasnt been healthy or done much. It changes us

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