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  • #76
    Re: Ben is better than Eli

    [quote user="LT= Lawrence Taylor"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]

    That's dumb logic. Ben still had Hines and Holmes, 2 SB MVP as receivers. I say if Eli has those guys, he does well as well.

    Hines, Holmes > Hixon, Toomer
    [/quote]

    when will you people learn that eli can't hit the side of a barn? eli can hit 6'6 receivers consistently. Santonio holmes is 5'11 and ward is 6'0. since eli has accuracy issues, he can't hit smaller receivers on a regular basis.

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    • #77
      Re: Ben is better than Eli

      [quote user="Hampton27 missed"]

      [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Mua Dib"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]
      checkmate!!
      [/quote]what exactly is it you as a Giants fan arewinning here rooni? Did Eli retire? Nothing been decided.[/quote]
      i'm not winning anything, he made a valid point. a point that imo ends the discussion. Plax counts for 40percent of Eli's career Td's. 6 games without plax 3 td's for eli. there was a huge drop, one can only conclude that Plax's freakish abilty was the key to Eli's success. it doesn't mean i love the steelers now. i can't name you their starting oline. i will always love the giants as long as I live,but i'm not blind.
      [/quote]




      Plax only caught 4 of Eli's 21 TDs this year.

      [/quote]

      but you do have to take into account that because plax is on the field it leaves the other WRs in single coverage on the lesser DBs...

      for example,

      Tonight Hines didnt do crap really all game except for 1 catch, but the cardinals were set on shutting him down and because of that it opened up things for holmes.

      I hope you see what im saying.

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      • #78
        Re: Ben is better than Eli

        Again did I miss something? Did Eli retire? Man Id hate to play cards with some of you on here, ya win one hand and yor ready to cash in and head home. Its far from over kids and god willing all you Trolls will have the misery of watching Eli lead the Giants to the promised land a couple more times.

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        • #79
          Re: Ben is better than Eli

          [quote user="TrueBlue10"][quote user="Delicreep"][quote user="Harooni"]funny how when Eli does little for 3 qtr's and throws a td in the fourth he is a hero but if ben does it. he is riding his Defense.
          face it both are good Qb's and BB could have been had for much cheaper. thats just facts, we got a SB from Eli so its not like we got hosed but come on.
          [/quote]

          Here's my problem--you can be just as manipulative with the facts as any Eli lover.

          Eli had the ball 1 time in the first quarter of the SB.
          Set the mark for longest drive (time)
          And I believe it was also record number of consecutive 3rd down conversions (all passes if I am not mistaken)

          He didn't throw a TD in the 4th, he threw 2 (also a record for a winning QB)
          I assume that the one you were referring to was the game winner (also a record)

          Ben had a fantastic game today
          , but I just can't understand why you have to continually misrepresent Eli's game to make your point.



          [/quote]

          PLUS, people around here still try to say it was the defense that got us the win last year.

          and while BOTH sides of the football need to show up to win a game, I don't remember our defense making any 100yd TD-preventing/TD-scoring interceptions. do you?

          so, I guess all those folks should lay this victory on the Steelers' defense, no?

          bottom line: 2 rings is better than 1.... no one can argue that. but 1 ring is all you can ever hope for... and sometimes that's asking too much (Marino, Kelly, etc.)
          also, Eli gave us a performance that will go down in SB history and so was named MVP... so far Ben's teammates have outshined his performance each time.

          being purely objective, either QB could lead my team anytime. I do happen to think Eli is a classier guy and there is something about his vibe that resonates better with me. I don't think you'd ever hear Eli yelling out "what's up now O-line?! what's up now O-line?!" or whatever Ben was yapping about on the podium tonight....
          [/quote]

          first of all, eli should never have been named MVP. Tyree was the one who set up the game winner and also caught the earlier TD pass. eli just got it because of his name, much like his brother the previous year who had a poor super bowl showing and won the MVP regardless. Second, ben is just more consistent. with eli you never know. i'd rather have consistency AND 2 super bowl wins over eli.

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          • #80
            Re: Ben is better than Eli

            [quote user="gumby742"][quote user="jgrangers2"]


            [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]
            checkmate!!
            [/quote]




            This may be the dumbest point of them all. Ben has two very good receivers in Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes. When Plax went down our receivers became a very mediocre bunch. Tonight, Ben was very good, but I thought that the Steeler playcalling really helped him. Of his 21 completions, how many were little screen passes or to guys who were absolutely wide open? When was the last time you saw a Giant receiver as open as Hines Ward was on that first completion of the night? There was nobody within a 10 yard radius of him.




            [/quote]

            Seriously how do you know that WRs haven't been getting open? Do you have the sky cam for the entire game? Do you attend all the games? There's little possible way that anyone can say that our WRs get no seperation with any sort of certainty. And at what point to you give Eli the pass where maybe he's just trying to get the ball to the wrong receiver and missing the wide open guy? Again, we'll never know because we can't see the entire field every play.
            [/quote]




            Because I think it's reasonable to give Eli, or any NFL QB for that matter,the benefit of the doubt. I find it hard to believe that there are wide receivers that are getting wide open all the time and Eli just keeps missing them.

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            • #81
              Re: Ben is better than Eli

              [quote user="lawl"][quote user="Hampton27 missed"]


              [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Mua Dib"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]
              checkmate!!
              [/quote]what exactly is it you as a Giants fan arewinning here rooni? Did Eli retire? Nothing been decided.[/quote]
              i'm not winning anything, he made a valid point. a point that imo ends the discussion. Plax counts for 40percent of Eli's career Td's. 6 games without plax 3 td's for eli. there was a huge drop, one can only conclude that Plax's freakish abilty was the key to Eli's success. it doesn't mean i love the steelers now. i can't name you their starting oline. i will always love the giants as long as I live,but i'm not blind.
              [/quote]




              Plax only caught 4 of Eli's 21 TDs this year.

              [/quote]First off Eli can defend himself and he will for years to come. Second if anybody thinks the steelers or anybody else would have drafted any QB in that draft ahead of Eli your crazy. We had to compensate to get him from the Chargers. Third a New York Giant team,led by Eli Manning, that nobody gave a snowballs chance in hell beat the undefeated "best team ever" Patriots. Tonight the Steelers beat an underdog.

              but you do have to take into account that because plax is on the field it leaves the other WRs in single coverage on the lesser DBs...

              for example,

              Tonight Hines didnt do crap really all game except for 1 catch, but the cardinals were set on shutting him down and because of that it opened up things for holmes.

              I hope you see what im saying.
              [/quote]

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              • #82
                Re: Ben is better than Eli

                [quote user="lawl"][quote user="Hampton27 missed"]


                [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Mua Dib"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]
                checkmate!!
                [/quote]what exactly is it you as a Giants fan arewinning here rooni? Did Eli retire? Nothing been decided.[/quote]
                i'm not winning anything, he made a valid point. a point that imo ends the discussion. Plax counts for 40percent of Eli's career Td's. 6 games without plax 3 td's for eli. there was a huge drop, one can only conclude that Plax's freakish abilty was the key to Eli's success. it doesn't mean i love the steelers now. i can't name you their starting oline. i will always love the giants as long as I live,but i'm not blind.
                [/quote]




                Plax only caught 4 of Eli's 21 TDs this year.




                [/quote]

                but you do have to take into account that because plax is on the field it leaves the other WRs in single coverage on the lesser DBs...

                for example,

                Tonight Hines didnt do crap really all game except for 1 catch, but the cardinals were set on shutting him down and because of that it opened up things for holmes.

                I hope you see what im saying.
                [/quote]




                I understand but the comment made was Eli can't play without plax. He played wellagainst Seattle, Cardinals, Pittsburgh and even Carolina.




                I really think a lot of you guys try to make something out of nothing. In our last 5 games, Minnesota meant nothing, 2 games were very windy when our opponents defense didn't really have to worry about the pass, and 1 game when the o-line played horrible.




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                • #83
                  Re: Ben is better than Eli

                  [quote user="jgrangers2"][quote user="gumby742"][quote user="jgrangers2"]


                  [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]
                  checkmate!!
                  [/quote]




                  This may be the dumbest point of them all. Ben has two very good receivers in Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes. When Plax went down our receivers became a very mediocre bunch. Tonight, Ben was very good, but I thought that the Steeler playcalling really helped him. Of his 21 completions, how many were little screen passes or to guys who were absolutely wide open? When was the last time you saw a Giant receiver as open as Hines Ward was on that first completion of the night? There was nobody within a 10 yard radius of him.




                  [/quote]

                  Seriously how do you know that WRs haven't been getting open? Do you have the sky cam for the entire game? Do you attend all the games? There's little possible way that anyone can say that our WRs get no seperation with any sort of certainty. And at what point to you give Eli the pass where maybe he's just trying to get the ball to the wrong receiver and missing the wide open guy? Again, we'll never know because we can't see the entire field every play.
                  [/quote]




                  Because I think it's reasonable to give Eli, or any NFL QB for that matter,the benefit of the doubt. I find it hard to believe that there are wide receivers that are getting wide open all the time and Eli just keeps missing them.

                  [/quote]

                  That's fine. I just think it's a little strange when people say our WRs get no separation when in reality they have no clue. What it boils down to is the excuses are getting old. I'm not addressing this to you specifically btw. But maybe it's time we take a step back and think of our WRs are really that bad or is our QB just making the wrong reads. It's been 5 years. So it's either been our OCs fault or our WRs fault every year. Coming into year 6, if things still haven't changed, you can't deny that something doesn't smell right.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Ben is better than Eli



                    [quote user="Mua Dib"]Again did I miss something? Did Eli retire? Man Id hate to play cards with some of you on here, ya win one hand and yor ready to cash in and head home. Its far from over kids and god willing all you Trolls will have the misery of watching Eli lead the Giants to the promised land a couple more times.[/quote]




                    You're right on the money. If these monkees were writing History books, they'ed call it for the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Ben is better than Eli

                      [quote user="Hampton27 missed"][quote user="lawl"][quote user="Hampton27 missed"]


                      [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Mua Dib"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Bumm"]Ben wins without Plax. Eli doesn't. Nuff said.[/quote]
                      checkmate!!
                      [/quote]what exactly is it you as a Giants fan arewinning here rooni? Did Eli retire? Nothing been decided.[/quote]
                      i'm not winning anything, he made a valid point. a point that imo ends the discussion. Plax counts for 40percent of Eli's career Td's. 6 games without plax 3 td's for eli. there was a huge drop, one can only conclude that Plax's freakish abilty was the key to Eli's success. it doesn't mean i love the steelers now. i can't name you their starting oline. i will always love the giants as long as I live,but i'm not blind.
                      [/quote]




                      Plax only caught 4 of Eli's 21 TDs this year.




                      [/quote]

                      but you do have to take into account that because plax is on the field it leaves the other WRs in single coverage on the lesser DBs...

                      for example,

                      Tonight Hines didnt do crap really all game except for 1 catch, but the cardinals were set on shutting him down and because of that it opened up things for holmes.

                      I hope you see what im saying.
                      [/quote]




                      I understand but the comment made was Eli can't play without plax. He played wellagainst Seattle, Cardinals, Pittsburgh and even Carolina.




                      I really think a lot of you guys try to make something out of nothing. In our last 5 games, Minnesota meant nothing, 2 games were very windy when our opponents defense didn't really have to worry about the pass, and 1 game when the o-line played horrible.




                      [/quote]

                      nah ive never gone on the record and said eli cant do well without plax, i was one of the idiots that thought hixon would step in and do just fine, obviously not exactly the case. The way plax plays is quite unique and theres no receiver in the league thats any where near the type that he is. Mind you im not saying hes the best wr in the league just very different.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Ben is better than Eli

                        [quote user="BlueBlitzer"]


                        [quote user="Mua Dib"]Again did I miss something? Did Eli retire? Man Id hate to play cards with some of you on here, ya win one hand and yor ready to cash in and head home. Its far from over kids and god willing all you Trolls will have the misery of watching Eli lead the Giants to the promised land a couple more times.[/quote]




                        You're right on the money. If these monkees were writing History books, they'ed call it for the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor.

                        [/quote]Exactly. I blame it on tv and over indulgent parents.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Ben is better than Eli

                          All I know is Bigben wins playoff games at home. Would have been a reat fit in the meadowlands.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Ben is better than Eli



                            Big Ben is much better then Eli.. he always has been and always will be.. He is bigger stronger and much more accurate.. Alot of Santonio Holmes catches come after a great Big Ben scramble




                            Just think we could've had the beter Qb and kept the draft picks




                            Did anybody see that great throw that Ben made to Heath Miller with a man right in is face... Ben can make plays that Eli could only dream of making.. He is accurate somethin Eli has never been

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                            • #89
                              Re: Ben is better than Eli

                              [quote user="BlueBlitzer"]

                              [quote user="Mua Dib"]Again did I miss something? Did Eli retire? Man Id hate to play cards with some of you on here, ya win one hand and yor ready to cash in and head home. Its far from over kids and god willing all you Trolls will have the misery of watching Eli lead the Giants to the promised land a couple more times.[/quote]




                              You're right on the money. If these monkees were writing History books, they'ed call it for the Japanese right after Pearl Harbor.

                              [/quote]
                              easy there Mccain.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Ben is better than Eli

                                Well I wont agree except that Ben is more mobile than Eli.....actually the Steelersw were lucky....that toe tapping catch could have been reversed, the interception just before the half, and the series where Pitt drove down aided by penalties was almost too much for Az to overcome....in the END, Offense doesn't win championships and the Az defense which had stolen the momentum in the 2nd half, was just one stop away from a ring. It also proves that its all about team. When the Steelers fell behind they had just given up a safety and a quick score, they could have folded, but they pulled together as a unit. Holmes made the plays and the Az defense did not......Warner played like a man possessed, and in the end, comparing Eli to either is unfair, he was home watching just like the rest of us.....so no kudos to him today. Lets just hope he doesn't get hurt in next weekends nothing bowl.

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