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  • Re: Ben is better than Eli

    [quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


    It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down.




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    sorry Eli had the #1 rushing attack, #3 defense and a very good Oline. this nonesense that pitts and sandaigo have better teams around there QB is pure bs and a slap in the face to the rest of our good team.
    [/quote]




    We did have a great team but obviously it wasn't good enough. Our offense let the abscense of one man dictate what we did. The Steelers offense was much worse then ours but never let the play of their offensive line and the injury to Hines Ward slow them down. Not to mention the lack luster running game led. This was a team game and they got the job done as a collective whole. We did not. And Eli's mates DID let him down. Pierce is fat and out of shape and he proclaims himself as the leader of our defense. Plus he is out at night clubs drinking three days before a game. I can pretty much bet my life that Harrison and Polamalu haven't seen the inside of a night club since last off season. Our team is defintiely more talented and has the tools but we need to refocus on football.




    And I do not think it is a slap in the face to say the Super Bowl champs had a better all round team....and I said nothing at all about San Diego....they suck. I hate Rivers and Tomlinson has no heart.....oh yeah and Merriman is a cheatin steriod using punk.

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    and Eli did not let them down vs the egals?

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    • Re: Ben is better than Eli

      [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="Mua Dib"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


      It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down.

      [/quote]
      sorry Eli had the #1 rushing attack, #3 defense and a very good Oline. this nonesense that pitts and sandaigo have better teams around there QB is pure bs and a slap in the face to the rest of our good team.
      [/quote]The Giants have a great team. That said ya can't discount the effect the whole Plax thing had on and off the feild. It was just too weird, we were smooth sailing up to then and it was like blowing a tire doing 70 mph, completely unexpected, impossible to ignore and left everybody pretty shook up.[/quote]
      i see your point, but we won the very next game though.
      [/quote]I didnt say the car blew up. It appeared to me the post Plax meltdown can really be traced back to the 2nd game against Philly. When that pass bounced off Hixons hands in the first quarter it never felt like Eli or the rest of the team ever really got back on track. I'm not putting it on Hixon, it was like the whole team started playing scared with a sense of doom.

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      • Re: Ben is better than Eli

        [quote user="ManningBowl"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


        It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down. Plax did in a big way. Antonio Pierce did by showing up out of shape. Toomer did by throwing the team under the bus in an interview. Jacobs did but not on purpose....his injuries cost us though. I love our team but we had too many players seeking out the spot light this year and believing their own hype. You may see that on the Steelers now but you didn't before the game today. They humbled themselves behind Ben, who is good but not great, and because they had faith in the system they got the job done.




        I love Eli and his skills are right there with Ben's. They do different things at the position. Eli is more accurate and has a better arm. Ben is a master at avoiding pressure. They are both cool under pressure and don't let mistakes ruin their day. One on one it is pretty close but in a sport where the man at that particular position will shoulder all the blame and get all the credit whether they deserve it or not I have to give the edge to Big Ben. It's all about the hardware as we remind Eagle fans eeryday.....Ben 2 Eli 1. The competition is far from over. Until next year




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        Come on.. Ben's arm is much stronger then Eli's and he is much more accurate




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        I respectgully disagree. Eli is very accurate and has a cannon when he is unleashed. Difference between Eli and Ben in that department is Ben has a guy like Santonio Holmes as a # 2 guy. He has the speed to break out. The Giants don't have anyone of great talent that can do that. Maybe in time with a guy like Hixon. Until then Eli will have to rely on fade routes and button hooks because that is all our receivers are capable of. Don't get me wrong it is very effective but you rarely see us call plays that send a guy 25 yards over the middle and that is because we don't have those type of guys. You get to see glimpses of what I am talking about though. Case and point is Tyree's touch down in the SB last year. That was a laser beam and in heavy hevay traffic. Also the pin point throw to Boss ont hat 44 yard gain in the 4th quarter.

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        • Re: Ben is better than Eli

          [quote user="LuckOfTuck"]He's making plays all over the field and avoiding sacks. And to think that we could've had him. I guess I'll just have to wait until next year. []
          [/quote]Agreed 100%

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          • Re: Ben is better than Eli

            [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


            It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down.




            [/quote]
            sorry Eli had the #1 rushing attack, #3 defense and a very good Oline. this nonesense that pitts and sandaigo have better teams around there QB is pure bs and a slap in the face to the rest of our good team.
            [/quote]




            We did have a great team but obviously it wasn't good enough. Our offense let the abscense of one man dictate what we did. The Steelers offense was much worse then ours but never let the play of their offensive line and the injury to Hines Ward slow them down. Not to mention the lack luster running game led. This was a team game and they got the job done as a collective whole. We did not. And Eli's mates DID let him down. Pierce is fat and out of shape and he proclaims himself as the leader of our defense. Plus he is out at night clubs drinking three days before a game. I can pretty much bet my life that Harrison and Polamalu haven't seen the inside of a night club since last off season. Our team is defintiely more talented and has the tools but we need to refocus on football.




            And I do not think it is a slap in the face to say the Super Bowl champs had a better all round team....and I said nothing at all about San Diego....they suck. I hate Rivers and Tomlinson has no heart.....oh yeah and Merriman is a cheatin steriod using punk.




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            and Eli did not let them down vs the egals?
            [/quote]




            Who stepped up for Eli? Dropped passes and missed opportunities lost us that game. Not Eli.

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            • Re: Ben is better than Eli

              [quote user="briandjoyce"][quote user="LuckOfTuck"]He's making plays all over the field and avoiding sacks. And to think that we could've had him. I guess I'll just have to wait until next year. []
              [/quote]Agreed 100%
              [/quote]Bens no Tebow []

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              • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                [quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


                It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down.




                [/quote]
                sorry Eli had the #1 rushing attack, #3 defense and a very good Oline. this nonesense that pitts and sandaigo have better teams around there QB is pure bs and a slap in the face to the rest of our good team.
                [/quote]




                We did have a great team but obviously it wasn't good enough. Our offense let the abscense of one man dictate what we did. The Steelers offense was much worse then ours but never let the play of their offensive line and the injury to Hines Ward slow them down. Not to mention the lack luster running game led. This was a team game and they got the job done as a collective whole. We did not. And Eli's mates DID let him down. Pierce is fat and out of shape and he proclaims himself as the leader of our defense. Plus he is out at night clubs drinking three days before a game. I can pretty much bet my life that Harrison and Polamalu haven't seen the inside of a night club since last off season. Our team is defintiely more talented and has the tools but we need to refocus on football.




                And I do not think it is a slap in the face to say the Super Bowl champs had a better all round team....and I said nothing at all about San Diego....they suck. I hate Rivers and Tomlinson has no heart.....oh yeah and Merriman is a cheatin steriod using punk.




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                and Eli did not let them down vs the egals?
                [/quote]




                Who stepped up for Eli? Dropped passes and missed opportunities lost us that game. Not Eli.

                [/quote]
                So Nothing was Eli's fault in that game? Wow have a nice night ,the lunatic response unit should be with you shortly.

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                • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                  OKAY!!!! lets face it. Eli has led the Giants to the playoffs more times than Big Ben has led the Steelers to the playoffs. Eli has led the Giants to the playoffs ever since he started for a full season. Eli Manning was MVP of SB XLII. Big Ben has never been MVP of anything involving the NFL. (http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/200...rs-prediction/) Eli Manning plays in a run first offense. Big Ben does not. Eli Manning plays in NYC...the craziest city on Earth. Big Ben does not. Eli Manning does not have the best recievers in the NFL. Big Ben has some of them.

                  Point of this post: OC!!! Please let ELI RUN A NO HUDDLE!!! SB EVERY YEAR!!!

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                  • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                    [quote user="trueblue45"][quote user="LuckOfTuck"][quote user="trueblue45"]this is such a bizarre thread. Eli last year clearly outplayed Ben this year. It's not a big deal because Ben played fine tonight and that touchdown throw was wonderful and an even better catch by the MVP Santonio Holmes, but honestly, overall, Big Ben was just kind of...meh.[/quote]
                    Eli was nothing special for most of the game last year too.
                    [/quote]


                    Ew...what's that comment all about? It was a tense three quarters against an 18-0 team until the Giants came in and took that championship by the throat. Eli came in with two touchdown passes in the fourth quarter. Big Ben was fine tonight, but like I said, after what I saw last year, meh...

                    The Steelers D was brilliant, especially that well-studied pick off Warner's unfortunate pass at the end of the half. Ben had nothing to do with that.

                    He was an admirable participant in tonight's win, but well, meh...[/quote]man, i just watched game againg last night on NFL network, and we were very lucky eli did not throw pick on that final drive. It was absoulute destiny, 2 times on final drive eli very nearly got picked. I don't know why everyone gets defensive about the fact that eli is just averege, and happen to not make big mistake in playoffs, he didn't have 1 spectaculer game, and we had awesome D, timley. turnovers, good run game, some big punt returns. I don't think it's a crime as some make it out, not nessicarily you, to state what everyone has seen with eli throughout career which is Just OK. We all root for him, but that don't make him what he's not yet.

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                    • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                      [quote user="Hate_it_or_love_it"]OKAY!!!! lets face it. Eli has led the Giants to the playoffs more times than Big Ben has led the Steelers to the playoffs. Eli has led the Giants to the playoffs ever since he started for a full season. Eli Manning was MVP of SB XLII. Big Ben has never been MVP of anything involving the NFL. (http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/200...rs-prediction/) Eli Manning plays in a run first offense. Big Ben does not. Eli Manning plays in NYC...the craziest city on Earth. Big Ben does not. Eli Manning does not have the best recievers in the NFL. Big Ben has some of them.

                      Point of this post: OC!!! Please let ELI RUN A NO HUDDLE!!! SB EVERY YEAR!!!
                      [/quote]
                      sorry 2005 that was tiki barber running wild on the skins to get us in. and Eli's home embarrasment that sent us packing. but Eli has had his momments and drives I agree.

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                      • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                        [quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


                        It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down.




                        [/quote]
                        sorry Eli had the #1 rushing attack, #3 defense and a very good Oline. this nonesense that pitts and sandaigo have better teams around there QB is pure bs and a slap in the face to the rest of our good team.
                        [/quote]




                        We did have a great team but obviously it wasn't good enough. Our offense let the abscense of one man dictate what we did. The Steelers offense was much worse then ours but never let the play of their offensive line and the injury to Hines Ward slow them down. Not to mention the lack luster running game led. This was a team game and they got the job done as a collective whole. We did not. And Eli's mates DID let him down. Pierce is fat and out of shape and he proclaims himself as the leader of our defense. Plus he is out at night clubs drinking three days before a game. I can pretty much bet my life that Harrison and Polamalu haven't seen the inside of a night club since last off season. Our team is defintiely more talented and has the tools but we need to refocus on football.




                        And I do not think it is a slap in the face to say the Super Bowl champs had a better all round team....and I said nothing at all about San Diego....they suck. I hate Rivers and Tomlinson has no heart.....oh yeah and Merriman is a cheatin steriod using punk.




                        [/quote]
                        and Eli did not let them down vs the egals?
                        [/quote]




                        Who stepped up for Eli? Dropped passes and missed opportunities lost us that game. Not Eli.

                        [/quote] whoa, did you watch game??? Eli was key factor from play one missing steve smith streaking to end of game.

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                        • Re: Ben is better than Eli



                          [quote user="Hate_it_or_love_it"]OKAY!!!! lets face it. Eli has led the Giants to the playoffs more times than Big Ben has led the Steelers to the playoffs. Eli has led the Giants to the playoffs ever since he started for a full season. Eli Manning was MVP of SB XLII. Big Ben has never been MVP of anything involving the NFL. (http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/200...rs-prediction/) Eli Manning plays in a run first offense. Big Ben does not. Eli Manning plays in NYC...the craziest city on Earth. Big Ben does not. Eli Manning does not have the best recievers in the NFL. Big Ben has some of them.

                          Point of this post: OC!!! Please let ELI RUN A NO HUDDLE!!! SB EVERY YEAR!!!
                          [/quote]




                          Good points especially by mentioning Ben's receivers. Eli is better hands down. you can not argue with talent. You can't argue hardware either. ben led his team down the field. he made some pefect throws on that last drive. he is pretty good too. But when Plax wasn't around Eli didn't have a guy who stepped up and demanded attention like Holmes does for the Steelers.

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                          • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                            [quote user="nycsportzfan"]man, i just watched game againg last night on NFL network, and we were very lucky eli did not throw pick on that final drive. It was absoulute destiny, 2 times on final drive eli very nearly got picked. I don't know why everyone gets defensive about the fact that eli is just averege, and happen to not make big mistake in playoffs, he didn't have 1 spectaculer game, and we had awesome D, timley. turnovers, good run game, some big punt returns. I don't think it's a crime as some make it out, not nessicarily you, to state what everyone has seen with eli throughout career which is Just OK. We all root for him, but that don't make him what he's not yet.
                            [/quote]
                            because we live in Reality and they don't thats why they curse and get so defensive about Eli. the truth is he is good, up and down QB We wan thim to be great but that desn't mean we are blind.

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                            • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                              [quote user="Harooni"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]man, i just watched game againg last night on NFL network, and we were very lucky eli did not throw pick on that final drive. It was absoulute destiny, 2 times on final drive eli very nearly got picked. I don't know why everyone gets defensive about the fact that eli is just averege, and happen to not make big mistake in playoffs, he didn't have 1 spectaculer game, and we had awesome D, timley. turnovers, good run game, some big punt returns. I don't think it's a crime as some make it out, not nessicarily you, to state what everyone has seen with eli throughout career which is Just OK. We all root for him, but that don't make him what he's not yet.
                              [/quote]
                              because we live in Reality and they don't thats why they curse and get so defensive about Eli. the truth is he is good, up and down QB We wan thim to be great but that desn't mean we are blind.
                              [/quote]The moon landing was shot on a hollywood set guy is giving lectures on living in reality. I'm sorry please go on.

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                              • Re: Ben is better than Eli

                                [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"][quote user="Harooni"][quote user="NewYorkDave"]


                                It is a good debate but until Eli can brin home another won Big Ben will win it every time. Ben had a better team around him this year. Some of Eli's mainmates sort of let him down.




                                [/quote]
                                sorry Eli had the #1 rushing attack, #3 defense and a very good Oline. this nonesense that pitts and sandaigo have better teams around there QB is pure bs and a slap in the face to the rest of our good team.
                                [/quote]




                                We did have a great team but obviously it wasn't good enough. Our offense let the abscense of one man dictate what we did. The Steelers offense was much worse then ours but never let the play of their offensive line and the injury to Hines Ward slow them down. Not to mention the lack luster running game led. This was a team game and they got the job done as a collective whole. We did not. And Eli's mates DID let him down. Pierce is fat and out of shape and he proclaims himself as the leader of our defense. Plus he is out at night clubs drinking three days before a game. I can pretty much bet my life that Harrison and Polamalu haven't seen the inside of a night club since last off season. Our team is defintiely more talented and has the tools but we need to refocus on football.




                                And I do not think it is a slap in the face to say the Super Bowl champs had a better all round team....and I said nothing at all about San Diego....they suck. I hate Rivers and Tomlinson has no heart.....oh yeah and Merriman is a cheatin steriod using punk.




                                [/quote]
                                and Eli did not let them down vs the egals?
                                [/quote]




                                Who stepped up for Eli? Dropped passes and missed opportunities lost us that game. Not Eli.




                                [/quote] whoa, did you watch game??? Eli was key factor from play one missing steve smith streaking to end of game.
                                [/quote]




                                So Eli has to be perfect to get your respect? How about dumb calls by the coaching staff. Everyone inthe world knew Eli was going for the QB sneak on 4th and one. How about telgraphing every run by Jacobs and Ward? How about not using Bradshaw one goddamn time. The coaches got away from what we did best and put their hopes in guys like Hixon to get separation and make plays. Sure Eli made a couple of bad throws but the weather was terrible. Why did we not defer the ball and take the wind? That gave away field position for the rest of the game. Eli was definitely not perfect but the coaching staff did not put him in a good position to win that game. We put all our hopes into Hixon being phenomenal and he wasn't. That and Smith and Toomer were no where to be found. No one breaks away fromt he route whent he coverage is good.




                                I am not saying Eli doesn't deservesome blame but too many people want to put it all on him and that is not accurate at all

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