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  • The choice in that instance to go for it is way higher than stopping them from getting a 1st.

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    • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
      LOL when you defense is not stopping them all night??? You have to feel how the game is going and make adjustment. If we don't get it then you can let them score or get close to the goaline with 2 to left and the 2 minute warning and give Eli a chance down 8.
      We gave up 17 points all night and won the turnover battle. Our defense, while ridiculously unlucky at times, was not giving up bombs all night. But you're on to something, you should let Coughlin know. Maybe you should tell the Hitler appeasers they were wrong in their efforts as well.
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      • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
        The choice in that instance to go for it is way higher than stopping them from getting a 1st.
        Link/proof?
        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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        • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
          Yes that is exactly what I'm saying.... Who's our best player on offense genius?? It's Nicks, Cruz, and Bennet but you didn't read what I wrote. I said instead of a dumb of to Bradshaw get the ball into Nicks or Cruz hands with a 7-10 yard slant and see if he can break away. Then go for it on fourth down. You don't think that Washington's defense wasn't expecting a screen on 3rd and 20??? Even I knew they were going to throw a screen.....it was just to predictable on 3rd and 20.
          I read what you wrote it just doesn't go at all with what I'm arguing. What if Nicks or Cruz gets no YAC and it's 4th and 10? You go for it, because essentially that's the situation we were in. We didn't go for it on 4th and 11, but of course if that is what you're arguing then that has nothing to do with the play call, it's the management decision.
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          • i think the offense can do and should do a much better job next week. there's no reason why the giants shouldn't be able to put up points on the saints defense. hopefully they take out their frustrations from this game out on to the next game.

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            • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
              wth??? i could have sworn i started this thread??? aliens???
              You did. It got merged with other threads.

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              • People who claim they see Eli checking into a run off of a pass makes me crack up. What you see is Eli calling out adjustments, possibly a hot route or maybe simply calling the run off right tackle instead of left. Every single time he makes an adjustment at the line does NOT mean he's checking from a pass play into whatever run happens. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I can almost guarantee its not every single time he's making an adjustment

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                • Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
                  You did. It got merged with other threads.
                  i thought that but i saw my title and jjp post mixed. its weird.

                  anyway im not talking hindsight, i talking 3rd and 20 and you have only 2 timeouts and even if they didnt get a first down you have what 20 seconds left???

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                  • We have a PLAIN vanilla offense - if players execute it can work.

                    We havent tricked anyone in years

                    we havent added a "wrinkle" in years

                    No misdirection plays

                    No end arounds - just to keep people honest

                    We have no identity as an offense short of ELI making a great play - those seam passes where things of beauty

                    If Eli is the identity of this offense - we should live and die with it - deflating the ball to keep RG3 off the field was a bone head move and it cost us.

                    You can tell by how many posts I have made today that I am not happy and I think we were OUTCOACHED

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                    • Originally posted by Chazj1 View Post
                      We have a PLAIN vanilla offense - if players execute it can work.

                      We havent tricked anyone in years

                      we havent added a "wrinkle" in years

                      No misdirection plays

                      No end arounds - just to keep people honest

                      We have no identity as an offense short of ELI making a great play - those seam passes where things of beauty

                      If Eli is the identity of this offense - we should live and die with it - deflating the ball to keep RG3 off the field was a bone head move and it cost us.

                      You can tell by how many posts I have made today that I am not happy and I think we were OUTCOACHED
                      the thing with Eli is he made some great throws and then he follows them up with some overthrows or a delay of game. but the main problem is gilbride how do you keep running when besides hall they have a weak secondary???

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                      • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                        fortunate would be the right word here. we somehow pull wins out of our #####. Not sure how we do it but its crazy. and then they think they are all geniuses and keep with the same crappy game plans.
                        Man, you better stop with this logic that you're using here - I actually agree with you!!! You have been clear in the past that you're not a huge Eli supporter and I get that. Sometimes he's great, other times not, but he's still very good overall. Eli COULD have won the game for us last night without the terrible play calling and the horrendous field position provided by our "special" teams. However, the Giants have the worst game planning/scheming in the league. Yes, the entire league. We don't try to fool anyone or get anyone on defense out of position. We just plan on "out-executing" them. How often do we run on 2nd and 10 after missing a pass on first down? A LOT! How does ANYONE explain how many times we tried to run against a very good run defense last night? The Redskins are poor at pass defense, but darn that, we are going to establish a running game. And we did run some, but couldn't run much in the 2nd half. That doesn't stop the Giants brain trust though, does it? No sirree, we are damn well going to run the ball. And no Eli, you can't run the hurry-up which is what you do best. Why would we change things up just because they are not working? You are so right, we pull some games out of our ##@@%%**, but it sure isn't due to good coaching.

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                        • Originally posted by Giant stuck in Texas View Post
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                          +100

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                          • Originally posted by Robert21156 View Post
                            Man, you better stop with this logic that you're using here - I actually agree with you!!! You have been clear in the past that you're not a huge Eli supporter and I get that. Sometimes he's great, other times not, but he's still very good overall. Eli COULD have won the game for us last night without the terrible play calling and the horrendous field position provided by our "special" teams. However, the Giants have the worst game planning/scheming in the league. Yes, the entire league. We don't try to fool anyone or get anyone on defense out of position. We just plan on "out-executing" them. How often do we run on 2nd and 10 after missing a pass on first down? A LOT! How does ANYONE explain how many times we tried to run against a very good run defense last night? The Redskins are poor at pass defense, but darn that, we are going to establish a running game. And we did run some, but couldn't run much in the 2nd half. That doesn't stop the Giants brain trust though, does it? No sirree, we are damn well going to run the ball. And no Eli, you can't run the hurry-up which is what you do best. Why would we change things up just because they are not working? You are so right, we pull some games out of our ##@@%%**, but it sure isn't due to good coaching.
                            i agree eli is a good qb up and down and great 2 min drill guy. and im happy he is the qb he has grown on me. frustrating because after a great pass he can make a bonehead move but i live with that. he made some throws yesterday that only peyton or brady could have made i know.

                            but my issue is with Gilbride. and you nailed it, they stick with the same thing over and over and i know it has worked but come on sometimes you have to switch things up.

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                            • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                              i agree eli is a good qb up and down and great 2 min drill guy. and im happy he is the qb he has grown on me. frustrating because after a great pass he can make a bonehead move but i live with that. he made some throws yesterday that only peyton or brady could have made i know.

                              but my issue is with Gilbride. and you nailed it, they stick with the same thing over and over and i know it has worked but come on sometimes you have to switch things up.
                              Never thought I'd say it, but YOU'RE the man!! We have to have the most predictable offense in the league. When the announcers say that the opponent's DB's know our receivers route trees, I'm just shaking my head. Eli did miss a couple of long throws last night, but how often do we have anyone running free in the secondary? Not often, and it's because EVERYTHING we do is stale. I'm truly ready for the entire coaching staff to be gone, even if we don't know what the future would hold then. The madness of our mediocrity is killing me. Our D-line totally sucked last night - very little pressure on RGIII and defensive ends crashing into the line while the ball is staying with the QB and going outside them by 5-10 yards!!! Embarrassing. Can we not coach a DE to stay home with an offense like that?

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                              • Let's face it. We weren't able to stop them. We kicked FG's when they scored TDs. They executed we didn't. We lost fair and square.
                                http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                                http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                                http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                                Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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