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  • Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
    he has access to anything available in that personnel package and formation
    Then why do we have an OC? If Eli can change the play in the huddle before he can even see when the defense gets set. I could've sworn that the calls are called in to him and he has a certain amount of plays based on the formation that they are playing and he could audible into one of those plays.
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    • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
      Then why do we have an OC? If Eli can change the play in the huddle before he can even see when the defense gets set. I could've sworn that the calls are called in to him and he has a certain amount of plays based on the formation that they are playing and he could audible into one of those plays.
      Exactly how I feel... if Eli is calling all the plays at the line, and KG is merely a high paid spectator on game day, let's get rid of him and use that extra money to get the best DC available!
      My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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      • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
        Then why do we have an OC if Eli can change the play in the huddle before he can even see when the defense gets set. I could've sworn that the calls are called in to him. IDK...
        why in the world would he change the plays called while still in the huddle?

        there are multiple plays called in to the QB

        if he gets to the LOS and sees a favorable coverage that he thinks can be taken advantage of by a certain route combination or running play Eli can audible into any play in the game plan that runs out of the formation and personnel package that they are in

        he is one of the only QBs in the league given this freedom
        Last edited by YATittle1962; 12-05-2012, 09:50 PM.

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        • Originally posted by brad View Post
          Exactly how I feel... if Eli is calling all the plays at the line, and KG is merely a high paid spectator on game day, let's get rid of him and use that extra money to get the best DC available!
          lol....I like PF. I know I'm in the minority but I think Tuck, Osi, and Webster have regressed this year and I think it hurts his scheme big time. But that's just me.
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          • Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
            why in the world would he change the plays called in the huddle?

            there are multiple plays called in to the QB

            if he gets to the LOS and sees a favorable coverage that he thinks can be taken advantage of by a certain route combination or running play Eli can audible into any play in the game plan that runs out of the formation and personnel package that they are in

            he is one of the only QBs in the league given this freedom
            Cause that is what we are talking about if he changes the plays in the huddle or at the LOS....I guess we are all misunderstanding each other then. We all thought you were talking about the huddle my bad.
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            • Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
              lol....I like PF. I know I'm in the minority but I think Tuck, Osi, and Webster have regressed this year and I think it hurts his scheme big time. But that's just me.
              I don't know that I would say they've regressed. I just think their games have declined due to age. We have some aging players all over the roster that just aren't as good as they used to be.
              It may be time to start looking at replacements for some of our core players.
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              • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                i just dont know if thats true, if it is, we've never seen it. as far as i remember, i cant recall a tme we've ever come out in say offset I, and eli checks into a shotgun formation or from goal line to I etc etc. the changes are within the formation called by KG...

                in the 2 min hurry up then yes but even then the 1rst play eli will usually be given 3 plays and from those 3 plays we'll run the hurry up until we get a chance to huddle or stop the clock
                Just because he isn't changing the formation doesn't mean that he's not audibling out of one of the three plays that's called in the huddle.

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                • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                  Just because he isn't changing the formation doesn't mean that he's not audibling out of one of the three plays that's called in the huddle.
                  Look guys. You are all arguing about minutia here. The real point is that our offensive scheme in general, and our offensive game plan for each week, is a collaboration between KG, TC, other coaches AND ESPECIALLY the QB. No way Eli is left out of the establishment of the game plan.
                  So ultimately, having said that, everyone is doing their best to beat the other team. And the real determining factor is the ability of the players to make it happen.
                  Which gets us to the OP's point that "execution" on the field by both teams, generally determines the outcome. And this game was no different.
                  They executed a little better than we did.
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                  • It was an absolutely terrible gameplan. by shortening the game and keeping it low scoring it allowed for the skins to operate in their comfort zone on offense. quick scores would have forced the skins to be one dimensional. except the one dimension i am now talkin about isnt the strength of their team. our team is built to score big on offense and cause turnover at key moments on defense. They need to recognize their identity and play to their strengths in every game

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      I don't know that I would say they've regressed. I just think their games have declined due to age. We have some aging players all over the roster that just aren't as good as they used to be.It may be time to start looking at replacements for some of our core players.
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                      • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
                        It was an absolutely terrible gameplan. by shortening the game and keeping it low scoring it allowed for the skins to operate in their comfort zone on offense. quick scores would have forced the skins to be one dimensional. except the one dimension i am now talkin about isnt the strength of their team. our team is built to score big on offense and cause turnover at key moments on defense. They need to recognize their identity and play to their strengths in every game
                        The defense not being able to get off the field in the second half was just as big of a reason, if not a bigger reason, for the loss as the offensive game plan. They held the ball over TEN minutes in the fourth.

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          What the hell are you talking about?
                          We're the friggin SB Champs!!!!
                          I'd say our coaches have a record of getting the most out of our talent.
                          Dude....I'm talking about the Monday Night game.....you're taking my comments out of context.
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                          • Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                            why in the world would he change the plays called while still in the huddle?

                            there are multiple plays called in to the QB

                            if he gets to the LOS and sees a favorable coverage that he thinks can be taken advantage of by a certain route combination or running play Eli can audible into any play in the game plan that runs out of the formation and personnel package that they are in

                            he is one of the only QBs in the league given this freedom
                            but wouldnt that mean the entire offense would then have to be as well versed in the playbook as the qb? i dunno if the other 10 guys are trusted with that. im sure elis prob has a lil more freedom than what i read a year or two ago, but if he has the ability to call the entire playbook from the LOS, that could be a reason why theres miscommunications. its kinda absurd to expect the other 10 guys to be able to get into any play at any moment on the fly in audible terminology. remember, when hes checking into plays hes not calling the plays by their huddle name, hes calling them by the cadences gone over during the week in preparation...
                            so in essence the players would have to memorize our entire playbook in two different terminologies...i just dont see it. the limitations eli may face with audibles may not be bc of any flaw he has, it could be bc thats too much to ask of the other guys...knowing the playbook with the actual terminology of the play, and then the playbook in audible terminology...and then ud have to change that up week to week bc teams have film and study that **** religiously...
                            Last edited by giantsfan420; 12-05-2012, 11:07 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by GMENAGAIN View Post
                              If the game plan to control the ball and keep RGIII off the field was a good one that didn't result in a win only because of poor execution, why do you now think in hindsight that the way to beat RGIII is to air it out and outscore them?
                              Because we don't score touchdowns in the redzone. We should have gone over the top all day on that secondary.
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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                Your position would be more defendable if this coaching staff didn't win two SB's with a lot of different players, 4 years apart.

                                I think the "players overcame bad coaching" theory, flies in the face of logic.
                                This comment of yours was directed at stormblue, but I'm going to jump in here.

                                I don't think people are arguing that Coughlin is a bad coach. They are arguing that Gilbride had a lame gameplan against the Redskins. There's a big difference.
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