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  • I thought the gameplan was pretty good for the first half - own the time of possession and tire out their defense with some ground and pound. When it was the second half, we would take advantage of their adjustment to our run game and air it out. That's what I expected at least.

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    • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
      but wouldnt that mean the entire offense would then have to be as well versed in the playbook as the qb? i dunno if the other 10 guys are trusted with that. im sure elis prob has a lil more freedom than what i read a year or two ago, but if he has the ability to call the entire playbook from the LOS, that could be a reason why theres miscommunications. its kinda absurd to expect the other 10 guys to be able to get into any play at any moment on the fly in audible terminology. remember, when hes checking into plays hes not calling the plays by their huddle name, hes calling them by the cadences gone over during the week in preparation...
      show me where in any of my posts I said the words "play book"

      do you have any idea how many plays are in the playbook.......I'll tell you .....300 +

      we are talking about a specific game plan...........not the playbook

      and within that game plan are personnel packages

      these personnel packages involve a certain amount of plays

      this is why you see David Wilson only in on certain packages.....because his understanding of the terminology and protections is not yet to where it will eventually be

      and yes Eli has the freedom to check into any play within the personnel package that they are in when the approach the LOS

      he could absolutely change the formation if he wanted to .... but rarely would the playclock ever provide enough time to do that ....so that is not often likely

      I mean this in the kindest way possible....you really have no clue what you are talking about

      99% of the time when you guys assume Eli is checking out of a play at the LOS he is indeed changing protections due to the front that the defense shows during a dummy cadence

      he may check out of a play 3 or 4 times in a game ....tops

      and when he does it is usually from a pass to a run or vice versa

      sometimes he is not even changing the whole play.....he may only change one of the receivers routes and the backs blocking assignment

      ....and yes ....all 11 guys on the offense understand all the terminology that pertains to their position and responsibility involved in the game plan.

      this is their job

      the receivers understand the whole route tree , the sight adjustments involved based on coverages , and the terminology involved in changing them at the LOS

      the backs understand the protections and the terminology involved in changing it at the LOS...as do the linemen and TEs

      this is what they do .....this is why they study and sit in meetings for so many hours per week

      if they did not know every little bit of terminology ....they would not be on the field...
      Last edited by YATittle1962; 12-05-2012, 11:20 PM.

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      • I think the Giants did well against RGIII, but what killed late in the game was that we kept biting on the play fakes and couldn't stop the run. What disappointed me late in the game when we couldnt stop the run and never adjusted. We hardly blitzed, which I thought should been done more to disrupt the backfield. The Skins defense had a couple of good passes defended but otherwise hardly put any pressure on Eli who missed Giants offense missed a couple of big passes that would have been game breakers. We beat ourselves, not the RGIII or the skins. I wouldn't get disheartened though.

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        • u said he has access to the entire gameplan at the LOS.
          thats simply not true imo. u can claim i dont know aht im talking about. thats fine. i know i've read kg gives eli the play and then 2 plays on top to change to as the audibles. plays called in the huddle are diff terminology than when at the LOS as well. the other 10 guys would have to know the entire gameplan in two diff languages basically for the entire gameplan to be accessible at the LOS bc u certainly dont want teams to know the plays you run thus creating an audible that represents said play but term can be changed repeatedly.
          we can agree to disagree i guess but its been my contention that the audibles are part of the gameplan, and that there are certain audible checks given for certain defensive looks. and while u claim we can, i've never seen us switch into diff formations at the LOS. which again, my contention was eli prob has earned more freedom then when i read the article a couple years ago and has the ability to audible into any play in that formation, but during the week the plays are discussed and implemented under the terminology that will be changed week to week.

          i dunno if there was some confusion but i think if u go back and reread what i've said, i hadnt stated anything incorrect and asked for clarification if i was wrong. i havent read anything that leads me to believe I am, so we;ll agree to disagree that i dont know what im talking about at all
          Last edited by giantsfan420; 12-06-2012, 12:14 AM.

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          • A team should never use ball control until at the end of the game. When you are up and there is going to be litle to no time on the clock. You limit yourself with that ball control and Giants did that trying to establish the run. Just play the game and gameplan in trying to score.

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            • Originally posted by Giants928 View Post
              I think the Giants did well against RGIII, but what killed late in the game was that we kept biting on the play fakes and couldn't stop the run. What disappointed me late in the game when we couldnt stop the run and never adjusted. We hardly blitzed, which I thought should been done more to disrupt the backfield. The Skins defense had a couple of good passes defended but otherwise hardly put any pressure on Eli who missed Giants offense missed a couple of big passes that would have been game breakers. We beat ourselves, not the RGIII or the skins. I wouldn't get disheartened though.
              Giants should have gone with a healthy dose of run blitzes. Granted, that opens things up in the passing lanes, and he'd hit plays.....but damn, the Skins just ripped off running plays in 8 yard clips.....I'd rather take my chances with the ball in the air then defending 2nd and 2 pretty much all game.
              "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

              "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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              • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                Giants should have gone with a healthy dose of run blitzes. Granted, that opens things up in the passing lanes, and he'd hit plays.....but damn, the Skins just ripped off running plays in 8 yard clips.....I'd rather take my chances with the ball in the air then defending 2nd and 2 pretty much all game.
                Agreed.
                sigpicShould the Giants fire Gilbride....

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONL7L...yer_detailpage

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                • i woulda hit rg3 on every option until i beat him into submission and forced them to stop calling it. by doing that, itd also show other d's how to stop it and it could really hurt washingtons offense

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                  • The defense isn't going to stop the Skins from scorng 17 points. Our offense should have been putting up 30 points. What the hell is going on here? I said if we lose something is wrong.

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                    • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                      Giants should have gone with a healthy dose of run blitzes. Granted, that opens things up in the passing lanes, and he'd hit plays.....but damn, the Skins just ripped off running plays in 8 yard clips.....I'd rather take my chances with the ball in the air then defending 2nd and 2 pretty much all game.
                      yup.....good point...
                      and i'm not complaining about them only giving up 17 points....that was great.....
                      but you are right in that a more aggressive defensive approach would have served us even better.
                      due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                      my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                        The defense not being able to get off the field in the second half was just as big of a reason, if not a bigger reason, for the loss as the offensive game plan. They held the ball over TEN minutes in the fourth.
                        by time the second half came, the points scored by the offense should have forced the skins to rely more on the passing game. that is the recipe for success against them

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