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  • #46
    Originally posted by BurnerNYG View Post
    Griffin can make all the throws and he has a coach that not only helped Elway win 2 ***les but also understands that a good running game and scheme helps keep defenses off balance. That's not a dumb coach and Griffin isn't a dumb QB.
    true. but that has nothing to do with what i originally said and what you tried to pass off as me saying.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by FBomb View Post
      The gameplan was ball control to keep Griffen off the field, as we had NO answer for him on defense. The staff knew it long before the game started.

      This is a very smart decision based on that fact. Dropped balls, stupid penalties and errant passes cost us this game. Those are all execution issues. Execute the gameplan, Giants win easily. The Giants didn't.

      That being said.....Gilbride doesn't get off the hook for this loss either. Question for you, Kev: If I know that on 2nd and 10 that we will run a handoff to AB up the middle EVERY TIME.....don't you think the Redskins knew too? Yeah.....that will be the reason why it didn't work EVERY TIME!!

      In hindsight....the way the Giants beat Griffen is to air it out and outscore them.
      If the game plan to control the ball and keep RGIII off the field was a good one that didn't result in a win only because of poor execution, why do you now think in hindsight that the way to beat RGIII is to air it out and outscore them?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
        The coaches get treated like Gods around here.
        You know one of the biggest reasons why i defend the coaches? Anytime its obvious that Eli kills the play at the line, i always immediately click the game day thread which i always have bookmarked. And guess what the first comments are? "HEHEH OMFG GILBRIDE SUCKS HE RUNS RUNS RUNS LMFAO HEHAHA DUUH."

        On a 3rd and 5 i remember nicks running his route 2 yards short of the first down. Guess what the first comments were toward that play? "HEHAHE OMFG KILLDIVE RUNS A PLAY SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN HE SUCKS LMFAO EHEHAHAAH." We run the ball twice setting up a 3rd and short (4 yards to go or less), and all of a sudden "WTF RUN RUN RUN HEHEHE KILDRIVE."

        Watch next weeks game carefully if you dont believe me. No one here will know for a fact since none of us actually have the play book, but on some of these plays you can see its obvious the play was changed. Eli will change a few plays at the line and if it doesnt go well everyone is going to blame Gilbrde. What gets me is the fact that eli can change the play to a run or pass depending on what he sees in the defense.

        Its come to the point where you get the feeling its just a bunch of 10 year olds watching the game. Thats why i cant help but to keep defending the coaching. Even if i dont agree with some of the calls.


        you guys know that when a qb does that option bs, he's fair game whether he keeps it or not right? NE kept on hitting Tebow and only tebow to punish him for the option.
        our guys wanted to sing rg3 sonnets and send him flowers...complete joke. kiwi and canty played hard imo. tuck, osi and sadly jpp...did not esp tuck and osi


        Well said. I understand if they cant get a pass rush on RG3 because of contain issues. But they along with the defense played soft vs the run. Canty was the only one who imo held his own. I kept saying to myself, why not just hit rg3 on every play even if you know the RB has the ball?

        I 100% agree with the OP. We controlled the time of possession and did a very good job of running the football. People dont realize that bradshaw had 24 carries for 103 yards and averaged 4.3 yards a carry. We just couldnt execute. This loss in mainly on the offense. The defense played solid in the first half ill give you that, but to think the defense played good the whole game is a joke. The defense played bad also. Isn't that what rolle was pretty much implying after the game?
        Last edited by Marvelousmik; 12-05-2012, 08:04 AM.
        Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

        ~Big Mike~

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        • #49
          Is this going to turn into another praise the great RG3 thread? He did ok the other night. Lets not make it out to be something it was not like the media. Yes, he is very talented, and yes he will be a very good player in this league, but the other night he was not great. When you have 4 trips down the field and get in scoring position to only have 13 points that's what loses the game. Then that same offense that looked so good moving the ball in the first half goes to sleep in the second half. If anything the Washington defense was the star of that game.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by FBomb View Post
            Again....you are confused. The point was NEVER that we lost the game because the defense couldn't stop them. The point was controlling TOP was our gameplan BECAUSE we couldn't stop them. Poor execution of the gameplan by the offense was why we lost.
            +1
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
              You know one of the biggest reasons why i defend the coaches? Anytime its obvious that Eli kills the play at the line and switches it to a run, i always immediately click the game day thread which i always have bookmarked. And guess what the first comments are? "HEHEH OMFG GILBRIDE SUCKS HE RUNS RUNS RUNS LMFAO HEHAHA DUUH."On a 3rd and 5 i remember nicks running his route 2 yards short of the first down. Guess what the first comments were toward that play? "HEHAHE OMFG KILLDIVE RUNS A PLAY SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN HE SUCKS LMFAO EHEHAHAAH." We run the ball twice setting up a 3rd and short (4 yards to go or less), and all of a sudden "WTF RUN RUN RUN HEHEHE KILDRIVE."Watch next weeks game carefully if you dont believe me. No one here will know for a fact since none of us actually have the play book, but on some of these plays you can see its obvious the play was changed. Eli will change a few plays at the line and if it doesnt go well everyone is going to blame Gilbrde. What gets me is the fact that eli can change the play to a run or pass depending on what he sees in the defense. Ill even PM you when it happens. Watch. Its come to the point where you get the feeling its just a bunch of 10 year olds watching the game. Thats why i cant help but to keep defending the coaching. Even if i dont agree with some of the calls.Well said. I understand if they cant get a pass rush on RG3 because of contain issues. But they along with the defense played soft vs the run. Canty was the only one who imo held his own. I kept saying to myself, why not just hit rg3 on every play even if you know the RB has the ball?I 100% agree with the OP. We controlled the time of possession and did a very good job of running the football. People dont realize that bradshaw had 24 carries for 103 yards and averaged 4.3 yards a carry. We just couldnt execute. This loss in mainly on the offense. The defense played solid in the first half ill give you that, but to think the defense played good the whole game is a joke. The defense played bad also. Isn't that what rolle was pretty much implying after the game?
              I dont always blame the coaches. But if you think its strictly execution then there's a problem. Yes Washingtons defense was playing okay, but we were playing better in the 1st half. Guess what Washington did in the 2nd half? They adjusted to our scheme and we did not to theres. Penalties hurt as well. How do you go from completely dominant in the 1st half to horrible in the 2nd? As a matter of fact, how do you go from scoring 38 points against Green Bay to only 16 now? We go through this every year under Coughlin minus 2008. He's a terrific coach, a terrific person, but he has a hard time adjusting. I'm not calling for him to be fired but it's the truth.
              Mood: WOOF!

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                the offense didnt fumble the ball nor throw an int. in fact the running game was good oline and eli was good and bennett cruz and nicks were good. so we only scored 16 points why??? well look at the guy calling the plays there is no one left to blame
                so basically the running game and the passing game was good but the play calling was bad? this makes sense. the players didnt make any mistakes in the redzone. its not like they committed any penalties or anything, right? This is a perfect example of why i have to defend the coaching. Now, i am not saying they coached the perfect game, but you just complimented our running and passing game and then you say the play calling was bad. Obviously we only scored 16 points but a huge part of that was due to dumb penalties that were not the coaches fault.

                Am i the only one who sees the irony in some of these posts? is it just me?
                Last edited by Marvelousmik; 12-05-2012, 08:15 AM.
                Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                ~Big Mike~

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                  I dont always blame the coaches. But if you think its strictly execution then there's a problem. Yes Washingtons defense was playing okay, but we were playing better in the 1st half. Guess what Washington did in the 2nd half? They adjusted to our scheme and we did not to theres. Penalties hurt as well. How do you go from completely dominant in the 1st half to horrible in the 2nd? As a matter of fact, how do you go from scoring 38 points against Green Bay to only 16 now? We go through this every year under Coughlin minus 2008. He's a terrific coach, a terrific person, but he has a hard time adjusting. I'm not calling for him to be fired but it's the truth.
                  Please tell me what the redskins did to adjust in the second half because maybe i am going blind. In the first half i saw the option. And in the second half i saw, well, the option again. Since rg3 has been the QB, you've seen the option, and they have always been a run first team. And did you sit there waiting through all of my edits?
                  Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                  ~Big Mike~

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                    Please tell me what the redskins did to adjust in the second half because maybe i am going blind. In the first half i saw the option. And in the second half i saw, well, the option again. Since rg3 has been the QB, you've seen the option, and they have always been a run first team. And did you sit there waiting through all of my edits?
                    I did. I'm very thoughtful. Yeah um..we couldn't stop the option. I dont care if we only held them to 17 points, we jumped on every play action except like one. When I mentioned the 2nd half, I was talking about the Skin defense. They stopped the run. Now what do we decide to do? Run! The run kept getting stopped which forced Eli to do 7 step dropbacks looking for Cruz and Hakeem to come open.
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                      I did. I'm very thoughtful. Yeah um..we couldn't stop the option. I dont care if we only held them to 17 points, we jumped on every play action except like one. When I mentioned the 2nd half, I was talking about the Skin defense. They stopped the run. Now what do we decide to do? Run! The run kept getting stopped which forced Eli to do 7 step dropbacks looking for Cruz and Hakeem to come open.
                      okay no more editing. and you didnt answer my question.
                      Please tell me what the redskins did to adjust in the second half


                      We know the redskins offense basically played us in 2 formations the whole game and killed us with the option read. Maybe you could tell me what the redskins did differently on defense.
                      Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                      ~Big Mike~

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                        so basically the running game and the passing game was good but the play calling was bad? this makes sense. the players didnt make any mistakes in the redzone. its not like they committed any penalties or anything, right? This is a perfect example of why i have to defend the coaching. Now, i am not saying they coached the perfect game, but you just complimented our running and passing game and then you say the play calling was bad. Obviously we only scored 16 points but a huge part of that was due to dumb penalties that were not the coaches fault.

                        Am i the only one who sees the irony in some of these posts? is it just me?
                        You can call predictable plays that put players in a postion where they almost have to commit penalties
                        due tot he opposite team reading it 100%. With that said, some of those called penalties were bogus.
                        So much so, they refused to even show them on replay. Next your going to tell me you can;t call a penalty
                        on every return. Plenty of uncalled blocks in the back from the skins, none called. Either call them or don't,
                        same story for alot of our games over the past several years. It would be different if we only got 1 penalty on
                        special teams and the got none.

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                        • #57
                          You can call predictable plays that put players in a postion where they almost have to commit penalties
                          due tot he opposite team reading it 100%


                          next thing you know, predictable plays is what put locklear in position to in injured. I too think KG needs to do a better job with the play calling, but this right here is just laughable. If someone trips in the parking lot its KG"s fault
                          Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                          ~Big Mike~

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                            okay no more editing. and you didnt answer my question. [/COLOR] We know the redskins offense basically played us in 2 formations the whole game and killed us with the option read. Maybe you could tell me what the redskins did differently on defense.
                            Stopping the run forcing Eli to throw to make it simple. Question answered?
                            Mood: WOOF!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                              The offensive players cost them the game. Only the offense and special teams where called for penalties. The defense and coaches where not. They had no answer for RG3? He did not have a great night. He had 163 yards passing and 72 yards rushing. That is good enough to win when you hold him to those numbers. Remember 46 of those rushing yards came on a single play where the very next play the defense caused a fumble so it didn't hurt them. Oh, that turnover was turned into another field goal and the only points of the second half for the Giants. The Giants lost because they had the ball in scoring position 5 times and scored 1 TD, kicked 4 field goals, and missed 1 of them.

                              Where the Giants D failed was in allowing Griffin to convert First Downs time after time dude...... what they held him to only distorts the picture, giving the Defensive play a false look of success!
                              Holding teams on third down has been the Defense's bugaboo all season.
                              Eli was 20/33 for 280 with a TD and zero INT's.....where are all these errant passes people are talking about?
                              Cruz had a 100 yds receiving.....Bradshaw 100 yds rushing....the numbers of the game, and our eyes tell the story of what was to blame for this loss.........Gilbrides playcalling, penalties, and the D allowing the Redskins to convert first downs.
                              Look at the game again and count how many times Gilbride called for the delayed draw up the middle for no gain when Eli was having a good throwing day. Don't tell me it wasn't the playcalling that takes a lions share of the blame here, because it most definitely does!
                              Last edited by bigblue58; 12-05-2012, 09:13 AM.
                              "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

                              John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                                Stopping the run forcing Eli to throw to make it simple. Question answered?
                                this doesnt tell me how they adjusted to our scheme but its okay. you're assuming they adjusted because they played better in the second half. It could very well be a result of them just executing better. I dont remember their defense being much different in the second half in terms of stopping the run but i would have to go back and rewatch the game.
                                Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                                ~Big Mike~

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