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  • #76
    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Bradshaw ran for 103 yards. They did NOT completely take away the run.
    of course they did not...
    but watch the game-clock...
    tick-tock and tick-tock...
    and Bradshaw up the middle.
    due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
    my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      Bradshaw ran for 103 yards. They did NOT completely take away the run.
      In the 2nd half they did.
      Mood: WOOF!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
        this brings me back to my original point. instead of running the ball on 2nd and 7, eli has the ability to see if the defense is taking away the run. He can easily audible to a short pass. The fact that he kept sticking with the run on 2nd down tells me the defense didnt do much differently in the second half. Eli is smarter than that.
        he has the ability to audible into the ONE pass play given as an audible for that formation. he cant suddenly go "formation shift into empty back set 5 wide and run 'x' play. we kept coming out in heavy set formations where we are realy only gonna pass from a PA and maybe some back shoulder fades. its not like people imagine where eli can call any pass play. he's given 2 or 3 plays from KG and eli can choose between those given plays presnap.
        i have always felt eli should have the ability to call the offense at the LOS but that means a no huddle type offense and i guess our staff hasnt yet realized u can go no huddle and still burn the game clock, all theyd need to do is watch peyton for a series...
        but back to my point, in those heavy set run formations, elis gonna have to see a blatant opening to check into a pass play. the i formation isnt what ud wanna attack certain defensive looks thru the air.
        yes i know we pass out of the i formation and other run formations quite often actually, im refering to the mon night game and just the audibles in general, eli is still limited to KG's playcalling with the audibles bc KG is the one given eli the plays he can check into

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        • #79
          and the run game looked nothing like it did in the 1rst half. it was working the first half, the 2nd half, 5 yd runs suddenly became our best runs when in the 1rst we were getting solid chunks.
          just an awful taste in my mouth. i felt we completely dominated them in every way that 1rst half except one, the score...smh

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          • #80
            Originally posted by FBomb View Post
            In hindsight....the way the Giants beat Griffen is to air it out and outscore them.
            I would think the self-proclaimed "Best There Is" would have studied the Redskins pathetic pass defense and come to the same conclusion.

            Maybe he thought a wide open all day Bennett was some sort of trick the Skins were trying to pull on him.......he was too smart to fall for it, though.

            Maybe it's just a Redskins thing....I remember a few years back, Gilbride trotted out a gameplan that called for Eli Manning to pass over 40 times against the Redskins......in 40+ mph swirling winds at the Meadowlands. Shockingly, that didn't work out too well.

            I guarantee you that Killdrive is going to make the equally pathetic Saints Defense look like the Steel Curtain for a day, too.

            Nobody can veer away from an opponent's weakness like Gilbride.

            So yeah, the penalties were the biggest problem.....but Gilbride did nothing to help his team overcome them.

            Granted RG3 only scored 17 points.....but Fewell's timid approach didn't help either.

            I'd think going into this game that the Giants would focus on shutting down the Redskins rushing attack and forcing RG3 to get into a passing shootout with Eli. Given how porous the Redskins pass defense is, I'd like the chances of Eli Manning outpassing RG3.

            But, that's not how both coordinators approached this game.

            Crap sandwich gameplans + numerous penalties = Super Bowl Champs losing to a weaker opponent.
            Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 12-05-2012, 01:23 PM.
            "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

            "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
              You know one of the biggest reasons why i defend the coaches? Anytime its obvious that Eli kills the play at the line, i always immediately click the game day thread which i always have bookmarked. And guess what the first comments are? "HEHEH OMFG GILBRIDE SUCKS HE RUNS RUNS RUNS LMFAO HEHAHA DUUH."

              On a 3rd and 5 i remember nicks running his route 2 yards short of the first down. Guess what the first comments were toward that play? "HEHAHE OMFG KILLDIVE RUNS A PLAY SHORT OF THE FIRST DOWN HE SUCKS LMFAO EHEHAHAAH." We run the ball twice setting up a 3rd and short (4 yards to go or less), and all of a sudden "WTF RUN RUN RUN HEHEHE KILDRIVE."

              Watch next weeks game carefully if you dont believe me. No one here will know for a fact since none of us actually have the play book, but on some of these plays you can see its obvious the play was changed. Eli will change a few plays at the line and if it doesnt go well everyone is going to blame Gilbrde. What gets me is the fact that eli can change the play to a run or pass depending on what he sees in the defense.

              Its come to the point where you get the feeling its just a bunch of 10 year olds watching the game. Thats why i cant help but to keep defending the coaching. Even if i dont agree with some of the calls.




              Well said. I understand if they cant get a pass rush on RG3 because of contain issues. But they along with the defense played soft vs the run. Canty was the only one who imo held his own. I kept saying to myself, why not just hit rg3 on every play even if you know the RB has the ball?

              I 100% agree with the OP. We controlled the time of possession and did a very good job of running the football. People dont realize that bradshaw had 24 carries for 103 yards and averaged 4.3 yards a carry. We just couldnt execute. This loss in mainly on the offense. The defense played solid in the first half ill give you that, but to think the defense played good the whole game is a joke. The defense played bad also. Isn't that what rolle was pretty much implying after the game?
              i dont know if u understand the way we do our checks...KG gives eli 2-3 plays every snap including the actual call. eli upon reading the d, is then to choose between the best play possible given to Eli.
              just bc eli can check into diff plays doesnt mean those plays are good play calls. eli could be choosing between a rock and a hard place often out there and turning coal into diamonds with some of his throws.

              the run game has been so bad that we consider what bradshaw did good...i cant remember the last time hes made a clutch run or had a big run TD over 2 yds lmfao...we need wilson if for nothing else he can take some of the load off of eli with a big play TD or 60 yd run

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              • #82
                Originally posted by stormblue View Post

                what everybody seems to be over-looking is the fact that the Washington gameplan
                was ALSO to run the clock down and make it a short running attack ball control game.
                their coaching staff did not want a shootout because of their 31st ranked pass defense would
                get lit up by Eli and company.

                they know we have a defense that sucks against the run....an underweight D-line and high school LBers.

                they passed 21 times and ran 31 times. their plan was a short game
                whereas they usually throw it 32 times (average).
                that would LIMIT THE NUMBER OF POSSESSIONS for Eli , and ball control to have a chance of winning.
                they did not want a shootout.

                we came out in the 2nd half and fell right into their trap. they wanted that kind of game .

                we were totally wrong in our approach. we should have thrown 50 times .

                out- coached again.
                Great point. Shanahan got the most from his talent......Killdrive did not.
                Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 12-05-2012, 01:47 PM.
                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  i dont know if u understand the way we do our checks...KG gives eli 2-3 plays every snap including the actual call. eli upon reading the d, is then to choose between the best play possible given to Eli.
                  just bc eli can check into diff plays doesnt mean those plays are good play calls. eli could be choosing between a rock and a hard place often out there and turning coal into diamonds with some of his throws.

                  the run game has been so bad that we consider what bradshaw did good...i cant remember the last time hes made a clutch run or had a big run TD over 2 yds lmfao...we need wilson if for nothing else he can take some of the load off of eli with a big play TD or 60 yd run
                  if that is truly the case......
                  then that explains why the o-line and receivers get confused on
                  blocking assignments and route running options.
                  and why we can't get a snap off until the play-clock is down to one second.
                  or get delay of game or call a time-out to avoid it.

                  how about limiting it to just A or B and driving off the snap and execute.
                  for these guys to have to sort all that crap out all the time on every play and expect everyone to
                  remain on the same page is ludicrous. especially with crowd noise.
                  this explains why you must be in the system for 3 years to understand anything.
                  Last edited by stormblue; 12-05-2012, 01:35 PM.
                  due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                  my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                  • #84
                    the Giants should have passed more in the second half. Especially late in the fourth quater when they rane 4 run plays out of 6 to get nothing.
                    Redzone difficulties and penalties.......they lost another game they should have won....
                    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                    • #85
                      stupid offensive penalties ...false start, holding, delay of game....along with a bad snap by DeOssie cost the Giants this game

                      nothing more

                      any game where the defense holds a team to 17 or less should be a W

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                      • #86
                        It happens. We held New England to 14 in the Superbowl... I didn't hear nobody complaining. The Skins had miscues too.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
                          stupid offensive penalties ...false start, holding, delay of game....along with a bad snap by DeOssie cost the Giants this game nothing more any game where the defense holds a team to 17 or less should be a W
                          Agreed.

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                          • #88
                            I agree with you but not for the reasons listed. We lost because we kicked FGs. Our defense is crap, but at least they got us turnovers. We had more scoring chances. Our execution in the red zone is pathetic.
                            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                            Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                              Great point. Shanahan got the most from his talent......Killdrive did not.
                              What the hell are you talking about?
                              We're the friggin SB Champs!!!!
                              I'd say our coaches have a record of getting the most out of our talent.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • #90
                                and i guess our staff hasnt yet realized u can go no huddle and still burn the game clock, all theyd need to do is watch peyton for a series...


                                Or brady. But i disagree with your main point. We do a lot of runs from the shot gun formation and i would be surprised if some of those hand offs in the second half wasnt a result of eli changing the play at the line. It doesnt take 30 seconds to find out who the mike linebacker is. Eli was most certainly trying to change the play a number of times during that game. And i think lot of it came from the shotgun formation. I need to rewatch that game.
                                Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                                ~Big Mike~

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