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I honestly think that Linval Joseph has been average this year, for the most part

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  • I honestly think that Linval Joseph has been average this year, for the most part

    I'm not hating on him, nor am I saying he's bad, but the way he's talked about on here you'd think he was the Fat Jesus. I understand he draws the double team most of the time, and he's been pretty effective at times in the pass rush. But he seems to have a hard time shedding blockers. He'll get blocked and an RB will run right by him and he won't disengage fast enough to make the stop. One positive is though that he doesn't give up on the play. Even when the ball carrier gets passed the defensive front, he chases the guy down and occasionally makes a nice tackle. Once again, I'm not calling him bad. I'm just saying he's a bit overrated, at least on these boards. Feel free to prove me wrong, as I am not a world renowned football scout. This is just my observation.

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    i disagree. he's beasted the majority of games. he has 4 sacks or more iirc which is good (great really in our scheme) for a DT and we still have 4 games...dont forget we didnt have canty for most of the season thus far...and that Tuck and Osi are too busy running the RG3 Fan Club to help raise the level of DL play.

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    • #3
      and from what i've seen from watching the entire league, he's getting held more than any other DT i can recall honestly and theres rarely a flag thrown smfh

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
        I'm not hating on him, nor am I saying he's bad, but the way he's talked about on here you'd think he was the Fat Jesus. I understand he draws the double team most of the time, and he's been pretty effective at times in the pass rush. But he seems to have a hard time shedding blockers. He'll get blocked and an RB will run right by him and he won't disengage fast enough to make the stop. One positive is though that he doesn't give up on the play. Even when the ball carrier gets passed the defensive front, he chases the guy down and occasionally makes a nice tackle. Once again, I'm not calling him bad. I'm just saying he's a bit overrated, at least on these boards. Feel free to prove me wrong, as I am not a world renowned football scout. This is just my observation.

        How much do you see Joseph talked about? It's not very often but it's usually very positive both here and in the media.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          How much do you see Joseph talked about? It's not very often but it's usually very positive both here and in the media.
          I'm talking about when his name comes up. He's good, but he still has his flaws.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
            I'm talking about when his name comes up. He's good, but he still has his flaws.
            OH, flaws, he's one of those.
            Last edited by RoanokeFan; 12-05-2012, 03:50 PM.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
              I'm talking about when his name comes up. He's good, but he still has his flaws.
              lol. name one player in the NFL without "flaws"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eli TO Shockey View Post
                lol. name one player in the NFL without "flaws"
                I wa just using the word to sum up what I said in the OP. He has tons of bright spots, but I think still think he needs to improve against the run. He's by no means bad, but it seems like he doesn't make the tackle at the line if a guy runs right by him. I think he's better against the pass than the run.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
                  I wa just using the word to sum up what I said in the OP. He has tons of bright spots, but I think still think he needs to improve against the run. He's by no means bad, but it seems like he doesn't make the tackle at the line if a guy runs right by him. I think he's better against the pass than the run.
                  Linval actually was double teamed and got caused a fumble in the last Redskins Game. It's not a coincidence that the Giants have been more stout in the few goal line stands that we've had in the last few years with Canty and Joseph.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
                    I'm not hating on him, nor am I saying he's bad, but the way he's talked about on here you'd think he was the Fat Jesus. I understand he draws the double team most of the time, and he's been pretty effective at times in the pass rush. But he seems to have a hard time shedding blockers. He'll get blocked and an RB will run right by him and he won't disengage fast enough to make the stop. One positive is though that he doesn't give up on the play. Even when the ball carrier gets passed the defensive front, he chases the guy down and occasionally makes a nice tackle. Once again, I'm not calling him bad. I'm just saying he's a bit overrated, at least on these boards. Feel free to prove me wrong, as I am not a world renowned football scout. This is just my observation.
                    dude,,this entire team has been just average this year,,it is not one player or players.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
                      I'm talking about when his name comes up. He's good, but he still has his flaws.
                      Hes got flaws? Shucks. I was realy expecting him to be a the perfect football machine.....I guess I should cancel my order for a Joseph jersey. ..

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                      • #12
                        He's been playing great. He's still a very young player too. He has the physical tools already. Keep adding experience and he'll keep getting better.

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                        • #13
                          Linvall Joseph is playing excellent, the only problem is that we do not have much depth at that position. Reese thought it was a brilliant idea to bring in a washed-up obese Shaun Rogers, a rookie in Kuhn, and a Marvin Austin who just got off his couch in 3 years. Wow what amazing depth we had there, Reese really nailed it there. Plus we have Canty always battling offseason injuries. In fact Joseph has been so good, Reese should give Canty's salary to Joseph. But Reese don't know who to manage this team, we'll probably lose Joseph like we lost Cofield.
                          " In Reese to Sign a Bust"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rtr1105 View Post
                            I'm not hating on him, nor am I saying he's bad, but the way he's talked about on here you'd think he was the Fat Jesus. I understand he draws the double team most of the time, and he's been pretty effective at times in the pass rush. But he seems to have a hard time shedding blockers. He'll get blocked and an RB will run right by him and he won't disengage fast enough to make the stop. One positive is though that he doesn't give up on the play. Even when the ball carrier gets passed the defensive front, he chases the guy down and occasionally makes a nice tackle. Once again, I'm not calling him bad. I'm just saying he's a bit overrated, at least on these boards. Feel free to prove me wrong, as I am not a world renowned football scout. This is just my observation.
                            I hear you, but I still rather have him in than Rocky Bernard. I think Bernard is done. He hasn't played well against the run.
                            Lets go, Giants!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nycisgreat View Post
                              I hear you, but I still rather have him in than Rocky Bernard. I think Bernard is done. He hasn't played well against the run.
                              Rocky is decent for a third guy. Linval isn't bad, he's just not what some people make him out to be. Linval just needs some improvement in run defense. He's got all of the other tools.

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