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  • #76
    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    You realize that will never happen, right?
    And I think its a crazy notion. I am not advocating it at all lol

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
      Yes, but the "prove" himself isn't just a matter of yards. More appropriately it's learning the pass protection, passing routes, running routes, being QB friendly, etc ...

      In other words the Giants need to see a reason to change their offense. They've done it over the years with different personnel (including RBs, WRs, TEs) in the TC era.

      For my thinking, David Wilson could do the most help by being the pass blocking outlet guy. As a check down, that kid could be really dangerous but it would require him adding a lot of finesse to his game.

      Having said that, I agree with your sentiment of why draft a guy you KNOW didn't fit your system but the Giants have also done this in the past if the player was physically gifted enough (e.g. Sintim, JPP, etc ...). Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Way way too early to tell with Wilson yet.
      We drafted him to play (learn and develop) behind Bradshaw and, as it turned out, Brown. To take advantage of his speed, they gave him the kick return responsibility because we were always behind the 8 ball on field position. You don't have a guy at the wrong end of the field handling the ball unless you trust his ball handling ability and speed. He's doing a damn good job returning kicks, is getting snaps here and there as he learns about pre-snap reads and blocking assignments.

      If we kept Sinorice Moss for 4/5 years, we're not about to release Wilson any time soon
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        Put another way, they are developing Wilson into the running back who will be the future of the team. In the meantime he is handling the very important return duties at which he excels.
        His kick returning has been a welcome sight for sure and I don't understand the criticism in that regard. A few people did mention this offseason that he would be raw with some issues in his vision and pass blocking so I knew not to expect much from him this year. I think he can be really good if utilized correctly but I question if he can be an AP type who can make all the runs or a Ray Rice/Doug Martin type that excels in every aspect of the RB.

        Having said that, I agree with your sentiment of why draft a guy you KNOW didn't fit your system but the Giants have also done this in the past if the player was physically gifted enough (e.g. Sintim, JPP, etc ...). Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Way way too early to tell with Wilson yet.
        JPP wasn't really a system mismatch, just an extremely raw and physically gifted player. You get the guys like Beckum (pure receiving TE) and Sintim (a 3-4 LBer) who had good physical traits that Reese coveted but that doesn't take into account the player's mental agility and ability to convert into a different scheme. I just hope Wilson doesn't end the same.

        Considering we have basically never played him in the regular season, that is a huge stretch to suggest trading him away already.
        I doubt it would happen anyway. The Giants aren't like that with draft picks. I just happen to be of the opinion that Leshoure (who I admit to having liked prior to the draft) is a better fit for the Giants than Wilson.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
          And I think its a crazy notion. I am not advocating it at all lol
          We are still in the denial stage with a tinge of anger lol
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • #80
            Serious question, how many of the posters bashing Wilson were also calling Amukamara a bust last year/early this year? Because if you were one of the posters you've already had your talent evaluation cards revoked. I'm wondering what you know about player development plans that the Giants staff have setup for Wilson. Or are you also preaching that the F.O. and coaches are TERRIBLE and never even considered such things? Hmm...

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            • #81
              Wilson will be nothing more than a backup in this league

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              • #82
                Originally posted by mike kennedy View Post
                Our blocking is the reason that we suck so much!
                Yea like to see martin or morris get their thousands of yards running behind our Oline. lol
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  We drafted him to play (learn and develop) behind Bradshaw and, as it turned out, Brown. To take advantage of his speed, they gave him the kick return responsibility because we were always behind the 8 ball on field position. You don't have a guy at the wrong end of the field handling the ball unless you trust his ball handling ability and speed. He's doing a damn good job returning kicks, is getting snaps here and there as he learns about pre-snap reads and blocking assignments.

                  If we kept Sinorice Moss for 4/5 years, we're not about to release Wilson any time soon
                  You're preaching to the choir RF ... I agree completely.
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by ImElectric2 View Post
                    Serious question, how many of the posters bashing Wilson were also calling Amukamara a bust last year/early this year? Because if you were one of the posters you've already had your talent evaluation cards revoked. I'm wondering what you know about player development plans that the Giants staff have setup for Wilson. Or are you also preaching that the F.O. and coaches are TERRIBLE and never even considered such things? Hmm...
                    I think we have a lot of media victims here ... in this era of pop-star rookies, it's becoming expected (unjustly) that every draft pick has to have record breaking rookie seasons or they are a bust.
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      You're preaching to the choir RF ... I agree completely.
                      Just wanted to give you some support, we're in the minority
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                        I think we have a lot of media victims here ... in this era of pop-star rookies, it's becoming expected (unjustly) that every draft pick has to have record breaking rookie seasons or they are a bust.
                        The best players usually have good rookie seasons, they could always get better in the future but having a good rookie season is usually a good sign.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          Just wanted to give you some support, we're in the minority
                          I can understand if the kid had 20 carries for 50 yards ... but he had FOUR carries last night. Not sure what any sane person could expect out of that.
                          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by ImElectric2 View Post
                            Serious question, how many of the posters bashing Wilson were also calling Amukamara a bust last year/early this year? Because if you were one of the posters you've already had your talent evaluation cards revoked. I'm wondering what you know about player development plans that the Giants staff have setup for Wilson. Or are you also preaching that the F.O. and coaches are TERRIBLE and never even considered such things? Hmm...
                            I see what you are getting at but I don't think you can really compare a RB (one who was deemed raw for a pro system) and a CB like Prince who came out of Nebraska as a potential top 10 selection. The positions are different in terms of development as well when you consider all the complex schemes and adjustments that CBs have to learn in todays modern NFL versus RBs who have become largely plug in players with very little learning in comparison. This really is Prince's rookie season in a way since he was injured for majority of the 2011 season and he has already played at his 1st round talent.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
                              The best players usually have good rookie seasons, they could always get better in the future but having a good rookie season is usually a good sign.
                              That is utter crap ... Emmitt Smith had less than 1,000 yards and 4 yards per carry average in his rookie season.

                              Walter Payton had a bit over 600 yards and 3.5 yards per carry his rookie season.

                              Jerry Rice didn't top 100 receptions until his 6th season.

                              And on and on and on. SOME of the best players have tremendous rookie seasons. Some have very mediocre rookie seasons (as I've just pointed out). Some don't even start their rookie season and still go on to be great players (Ray Rice).

                              The word "development" is in the English language and football nomenclature for a reason.
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                              • #90
                                I'd like to apologize to everyone on the forum for this. Tmurda1984 is my ex-wife and has been trolling here every now and then for the past 3 years to spite me. She's still bitter about the divorce.

                                Just do what I did during our marriage....ignore her.


                                “Basically just stay with your man,” cornerback Janoris Jenkins said. “Follow him everywhere you go. Even if he goes to the bathroom, follow him.”

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