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  • #31
    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    Do you think this is his last year with the team?
    Yeah, it sure looks like it,
    Lets go, Giants!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
      We've NEVER stopped Brees.
      We did a few years ago. Actually sacked him a couple times too.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
        We did a few years ago. Actually sacked him a couple times too.
        What was the final score?
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Rusty192 View Post
          We did a few years ago. Actually sacked him a couple times too.
          One sack in the last two games versus Brees. Two if you're including the post-Katrina game in 2006.

          2011: W - 49-24 - 363yds / 4 pass TD / 1 rush TD / 1 INT / 1 sack
          2009: W - 48-27 - 369yds / 4 pass TD / 0 sacks
          2006: W-30-7 - 132yds / 1 TD / 1 sack

          These Giants have never beaten him.
          Last edited by Flip Empty; 12-08-2012, 07:36 AM.

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          • #35
            First off, Webster is not getting paid #1 corner money. Maybe a few years ago, but the corner market has shifted dramatically where the #1 corner gets 8-11mil. Typical starters are getting on average 6 mil.

            So if you axe Webster now, you can perceivably end up playing more or close to what you currently play Webster for a mid-tier veteran who would have to be acclimated to the team. OR start a drafted rookie, where CB is the hardest defensive position to transition to from the collegiate level.

            And the Giants won with Sam Madison and RW McQuarters playing snaps. 30 is not a death sentance.
            Last edited by penguinfarmer; 12-08-2012, 07:31 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
              First off, Webster is not getting paid #1 corner money. Maybe a few years ago, but the corner market has shifted dramatically where the #1 corner gets 8-11mil. Typical starters are getting on average 6 mil.So if you axe Webster now, you can perceivably end up playing more or close to what you currently play Webster for a veteran who would have to be acclimated to the team. OR start a drafted rookie, where CB is the hardest defensive position to transition to from the collegiate level.And the Giants won with Sam Madison and RW McQuarters playing snaps. 30 is not a death sentance.
              No it's not a death sentence, but knowing our cap issues, is he worth that 6-7 million? He's not only getting older, but he's battling two injuries right now.
              Mood: WOOF!

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              • #37
                Those aren't injuries I would hold against him for the rest of his career as if it were an ACL tear. And again, my point was replacing him for what is currently a contending team can either be just as, if not more expensive with a mid-tier veteran or compromising with a rookie.

                And restructuring does nothing, but make the cap situation more difficult in the future [and subsequently making it harder to cut the player] as all you do is take the base salary and turn it into a guaranteed prorated salary in the future. I've only known two players to genuinely shed money, and that's Diehl and Bradshaw.

                And I also believe Webster's issues are not physical as he's never been known as supremely fast or strong. His game has always been predicated on his ability to read and mirror a receiver for which he is doing a horrible job right now. He's displaying some horrible tendancies you just don't do in man coverage. I don't think a midseason rejuvenation ala 2007 is out of the question though.

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                • #38
                  For some reason, can't edit. I meant Jacobs, not Bradshaw above.

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                  • #39
                    BUTTT when we had madison and RW, they were getting paid pennies plus Madison was indispensable on the sidelines helping the younger guys learn what to do. That is a lot more than it seems webster does

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                    • #40
                      Really because Prince and even Hosley have been exhibiting the same poor tendancies this season. We don't know what Webster is or isn't teaching them as a corner who's played well in two SB runs.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                        I'm sure they can find someone else.
                        It will depend on how our young players develop and who's available in the draft.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
                          Really because Prince and even Hosley have been exhibiting the same poor tendancies this season. We don't know what Webster is or isn't teaching them as a corner who's played well in two SB runs.
                          Thats exactly what puzzles me... Where Prince seems to be coming along nicely, it appears that Hosley's getting no info and teaching from anyone, least of all Webby. Maybe Holseys problems have to do with scheme? Dunno. We need to straighten this out in the Off season, can't let these WR's just run free every game.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by bearbryant View Post
                            Thats exactly what puzzles me... Where Prince seems to be coming along nicely, it appears that Hosley's getting no info and teaching from anyone, least of all Webby. Maybe Holseys problems have to do with scheme? Dunno. We need to straighten this out in the Off season, can't let these WR's just run free every game.
                            Holsey will be a nickel corner at best in this league...he just do not have all the physical tools to play against this big bodied receivers in the NFL. I see Holsey making a career chasing around little guys like Ryan Broyles. Im sorry but its the truth.
                            " In Reese to Sign a Bust"

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by bearbryant View Post
                              Thats exactly what puzzles me... Where Prince seems to be coming along nicely, it appears that Hosley's getting no info and teaching from anyone, least of all Webby. Maybe Holseys problems have to do with scheme? Dunno. We need to straighten this out in the Off season, can't let these WR's just run free every game.
                              Hosley ran off man and zone almost exlusively in his collegiate career. He's not going to clean up technique next year let alone this year. As I said, CB is probably the hardest defensive position to transition to from NCAA, especially when you're coming from a conference dominated by the spread. None of that is Webster's fault.

                              Hosley is making rookie mistakes [as well as just getting targeted by perfect throws on what was good coverage], same we can expect for another draftee to "simply replace" Webster. Saying it is to easy to just replace Webster is rather foolish given the premium on NFL CBs and how many teams are looking for any qualified corners at all. It's hardly the position to think we can just replace engine parts with and not expect to not lose any steam. And oh yeah, it's still December.

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