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    Stats don't tell the everything but they do tell something:

    25th in the NFL giving up 270 yards per game, not very good, I still compare all Giants Defenses to the 86 Giants, probably unfair
    9th in scoring at 20.8 points per game, better than I thought
    12 in sacks with 31, very disappointing - Osi and Tuck in particular
    2nd in interceptions with 20, Stevie Brown, who would have known
    21st in Rushing defense at 123 per game, I believe TC used the word soft
    27th against the pass, pathetic

    Fewell has a SB ring but the D is not good and under-performing in my opinion.

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    Originally posted by TroyArcher View Post
    Stats don't tell the everything but they do tell something:

    25th in the NFL giving up 270 yards per game, not very good, I still compare all Giants Defenses to the 86 Giants, probably unfair
    9th in scoring at 20.8 points per game, better than I thought
    12 in sacks with 31, very disappointing - Osi and Tuck in particular
    2nd in interceptions with 20, Stevie Brown, who would have known
    21st in Rushing defense at 123 per game, I believe TC used the word soft
    27th against the pass, pathetic

    Fewell has a SB ring but the D is not good and under-performing in my opinion.
    We've been fortunate with the turnovers and stops at the right times.... that IS part of a good defense.. however Im not surprised at all about the pass and rush rankings. It's pretty clear when you watch them on the field... and why I'm never at ease with them on the field.

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    • #3
      The only numbers that count are the ones on the score board. There are only 8 teams that have allowed less points and all but one of those teams are all very close to the same number.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TroyArcher View Post
        Stats don't tell the everything but they do tell something:25th in the NFL giving up 270 yards per game, not very good, I still compare all Giants Defenses to the 86 Giants, probably unfair9th in scoring at 20.8 points per game, better than I thought12 in sacks with 31, very disappointing - Osi and Tuck in particular2nd in interceptions with 20, Stevie Brown, who would have known21st in Rushing defense at 123 per game, I believe TC used the word soft27th against the pass, patheticFewell has a SB ring but the D is not good and under-performing in my opinion.
        I think underperforming is the correct word.
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • #5
          How about second in creating turnovers? Forgot that one?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TroyArcher View Post
            Stats don't tell the everything but they do tell something:

            25th in the NFL giving up 270 yards per game, not very good, I still compare all Giants Defenses to the 86 Giants, probably unfair
            9th in scoring at 20.8 points per game, better than I thought
            12 in sacks with 31, very disappointing - Osi and Tuck in particular
            2nd in interceptions with 20, Stevie Brown, who would have known
            21st in Rushing defense at 123 per game, I believe TC used the word soft
            27th against the pass, pathetic

            Fewell has a SB ring but the D is not good and under-performing in my opinion.
            Just to add another stat ... 7th in red zone defense.

            To understand the stats you have to understand PF's defensive scheme. He plays a lot of Nickle and Cover 2. It's a soft defense meant to not give up the big play and capitalize on opponents' mistakes by having players always around the ball.

            By and large he accomplishes this. Poor yards per game given up is due to allowing all the intermediate stuff. Above average red zone defense (7th) limits scoring (also seen in the 9th ranked in points allowed). It also produces a high turnover ratio which we have (currently 6th with +14).

            It's effective ... just not my personal style. I don't like defenses that give up tons of yards and rely on stout red zone stands (seems like putting your back against the wall as a mentality). I also don't like defenses that rely on turnovers since they're never guaranteed (sort of like relying on defensive scoring).

            If our defense tightens up this post season like it did last post season, then I think we'll be fine. If not, it's gonna be a short ride come January (if we make it to that point even).
            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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            • #7
              Basically we have a bend but don't break D this yr. We give up a ton of yds per game but only giving up an avg of 20 ppg. Do I wish it was 5-6 pts lower, heck yeah, but our O is very prolific & have scored more pts than anyone in the NFC & only NE & Denver have put up more pts than us this yr. We avg 28 ppg.

              Only reason we lost to the Skins is the game plan on Offense stank & the O & ST kept shooting itself in the foot with stupid penalties. I heard people bashing the D but they gave up 10 pts as the RG turd fumble turned into a TD can't really be blamed on them. We should have lit that team up thru the air the entire 2nd half. No way they could have matched us score for score. The Saints couldn't & they have a way more potent O than the Skins do.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                Just to add another stat ... 7th in red zone defense.

                To understand the stats you have to understand PF's defensive scheme. He plays a lot of Nickle and Cover 2. It's a soft defense meant to not give up the big play and capitalize on opponents' mistakes by having players always around the ball.

                By and large he accomplishes this. Poor yards per game given up is due to allowing all the intermediate stuff. Above average red zone defense (7th) limits scoring (also seen in the 9th ranked in points allowed). It also produces a high turnover ratio which we have (currently 6th with +14).

                It's effective ... just not my personal style. I don't like defenses that give up tons of yards and rely on stout red zone stands (seems like putting your back against the wall as a mentality). I also don't like defenses that rely on turnovers since they're never guaranteed (sort of like relying on defensive scoring).

                If our defense tightens up this post season like it did last post season, then I think we'll be fine. If not, it's gonna be a short ride come January (if we make it to that point even).
                7th in the red zone is great, definitely great.

                The problem is with the way they let the ball get moved on them between the 20's, this wears the D out, moreso than when people blame the offense for not giving them the rest. It's the D's job to get their own ***** off the field and if they're giving up only 3 or no points on early drives GREAT... but it sometimes means they're doing it giving up 10 play and 12 play drives with more than their share of demoralizing 3rd and 4th down conversions. I dont buy that thats the way they want it to be... getting beat on like that only to solidify (sometimes) at the end. Its happened all year long and by mid 3rd quarter they're wiped. This can catch up to them.

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                • #9
                  I think the reason we don't like this bend dont break style is 2 reasons:

                  1) It's high-risk/high-reward. Every play could be a huge game changing turnover, or it could be a long completion. Witness Brees' long completion to Colston, followed by Stevie intercepting another long completion attempt on pretty much the same play call the very next play.

                  2) Players that don't have the best stamina in the world will get winded playing for such a defense. It depends on the offense sustaining a long drive to give the defense time to rest. If the offense has a three-and-out, the results are devastating.

                  3) It's not what Giants fans from any time up until as recent as 2007 would call "GIANTS" brand defense. It's been nearly 30 years since the pass rush has NOT been the primary facet of the defense. It's part of our fabric as part of the Giants nation, and to see it so casually disregarded gives us all (myself included) fits. After all, it was our fierce pass rush that exposed Tom Brady as mere human. By the same notion, PF was able to get it done vs Brady as well, with his own back-end style. I still don't think he really is the man for the job, but there's no arguing that he did help bring us a super bowl victory.

                  I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PRGiant View Post
                    How about second in creating turnovers? Forgot that one?
                    I posted 2nd in Ints?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                      7th in the red zone is great, definitely great.

                      The problem is with the way they let the ball get moved on them between the 20's, this wears the D out, moreso than when people blame the offense for not giving them the rest. It's the D's job to get their own ***** off the field and if they're giving up only 3 or no points on early drives GREAT... but it sometimes means they're doing it giving up 10 play and 12 play drives with more than their share of demoralizing 3rd and 4th down conversions. I dont buy that thats the way they want it to be... getting beat on like that only to solidify (sometimes) at the end. Its happened all year long and by mid 3rd quarter they're wiped. This can catch up to them.
                      I don't like the scheme because it keeps the defense on the field too long and is demoralizing when teams eat up huge chunks of yards. It also allows teams to potentially control the clock on us.
                      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TroyArcher View Post
                        Stats don't tell the everything but they do tell something:

                        25th in the NFL giving up 270 yards per game, not very good, I still compare all Giants Defenses to the 86 Giants, probably unfair
                        9th in scoring at 20.8 points per game, better than I thought
                        12 in sacks with 31, very disappointing - Osi and Tuck in particular
                        2nd in interceptions with 20, Stevie Brown, who would have known
                        21st in Rushing defense at 123 per game, I believe TC used the word soft
                        27th against the pass, pathetic

                        Fewell has a SB ring but the D is not good and under-performing in my opinion.
                        Osi is a sack and a half short of JPP. Tuck is 3.5 short of JPP. Two of Osi's sacks came with fumbles. I think fans are spoiled with sack numbers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                          Osi is a sack and a half short of JPP. Tuck is 3.5 short of JPP. Two of Osi's sacks came with fumbles. I think fans are spoiled with sack numbers.
                          The numbers by themselves CAN be misleading... meaning you can have thin sack numbers and still have constant, consistent pressure, but i think we all know we're not getting that either.

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                          • #14
                            Injuries have required us to make adjustments and while we've bent, we've not broken. This is the part of the season when improvement is key to winning. I think we are seeing enough improvement on offense and defense to see us through the playoffs. I have to say, for the most part, Special Teams has been quite a pleasant surprise. The coverage team has been morfe effective than I can ever remember.

                            We need to win in all three phases to get to the big dance.
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                              The numbers by themselves CAN be misleading... meaning you can have thin sack numbers and still have constant, consistent pressure, but i think we all know we're not getting that either.
                              Even from JPP, so is it scheme,personnel, or team are more prepared for neutralizing our pass rush.

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