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  • Should the personalities of players on a team effect your love for the team?

    Just curious because I was reading all the posts in the thread about Tiki Barber.

    Every franchise has its bad eggs.
    Brett Favre made the packers look like an embarrassment. Michael Irvin and what he did in Dallas(albeit I like how he's turned it around).
    Some are worse than others. Santonio Holmes had problems with the steelers.

    Oj Simpson in Buffalo. Michael Vick in Philly and Atlanta. etc.
    And other players.
    LT did really bad things. Drugs, prostitution, and the infamous child case. However LT is still the greatest defensive player ever.
    Tiki Barber by some is considered the best giants RB ever. He's also probably the biggest giants D-bag ever.

    So. My question is should what these guys did and the fact of who they are as players affect your love for not just the players but the franchise as a whole?

    For example...

    What's your opinion on LT? What I'm more refferring to is because of what LT did BUT combined with the fact that he is such an icon in giants lore(albeit from what I've seen of LT it seems like he's got his act together nowadays a little bit but he trys not to act like a bum, but Tiki is just a lost cause). Does that affect your love for the franchise?
    Last edited by GentleGiant; 12-14-2012, 06:04 PM.

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    Whatever Tiki did in his personal life is his business, and it should not reflect back on the football field.

    However, you cannot dismiss what he said about Coughlin, Eli, Strahan, or whoever. THAT was football related. Great player, definitely. Great person? eh, that's debatable. It depends on the person though, so I really can't speak for everyone.
    Last edited by Rudy; 12-13-2012, 07:33 PM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
      Just curious because I was reading all the posts in the thread about Tiki Barber.

      Every franchise has its bad eggs.
      Brett Favre made the packers look like an embarrassment. Michael Irvin and what he did in Dallas(albeit I like how he's turned it around).
      Some are worse than others. Santonio Holmes had problems with the steelers.

      Oj Simpson in Buffalo. Michael Vick in Philly and Atlanta. etc.
      And other players.
      LT did really bad things. Drugs, prostitution, and the infamous child case. However LT is still the greatest defensive player ever.
      Tiki Barber by some is considered the best giants RB ever. He's also probably the biggest giants D-bag ever.

      So. My question is should what these guys did and the fact of who they are as players affect your love for not just the players but the team as a whole?
      NO! It doesnt for me. Talent is talent, however, ACTIVE players on a roster can bring discredit to a team by their on/off field actions during a season. Nobody is perfect.
      "KILL'EM ALL AND LET THE PARAMEDICS SORT'EM OUT!"

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      • #4
        I'm a team homer. Players, good and bad, come and go.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #5
          I don't think much of the scandal makers, those players who can't stay out of trouble with the law, or are domestically violent, or talk back to the coach and go to the media and run us down. I sure do cheer loudest when they make a much needed TD or runback or intercept for us.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
            Just curious because I was reading all the posts in the thread about Tiki Barber.

            Every franchise has its bad eggs.
            Brett Favre made the packers look like an embarrassment. Michael Irvin and what he did in Dallas(albeit I like how he's turned it around).
            Some are worse than others. Santonio Holmes had problems with the steelers.

            Oj Simpson in Buffalo. Michael Vick in Philly and Atlanta. etc.
            And other players.
            LT did really bad things. Drugs, prostitution, and the infamous child case. However LT is still the greatest defensive player ever.
            Tiki Barber by some is considered the best giants RB ever. He's also probably the biggest giants D-bag ever.

            So. My question is should what these guys did and the fact of who they are as players affect your love for not just the players but the franchise as a whole?

            For example...

            What's your opinion on LT? What I'm more refferring to is because of what LT did BUT combined with the fact that he is such an icon in giants lore(albeit from what I've seen of LT it seems like he's got his act together nowadays a little bit but he's still a bum in my mind cause he never really acts like he was sorry, but Tiki is just a lost cause). Does that affect your love for the franchise?
            Here is how I rank things:

            1) I'm a Giants fan first....if a player leaves, I'll wish him well (depending on how he handled himself while a Giant).
            2) I judge a player based on what he does on the field.....if he helps the Giants win, and handled himself like a pro, that's great.
            3) Personal character is important. I like the fact that we have Eli Manning, and not Ben Roethlisberger as our QB.

            Regarding the whole LT thing......he's a reckless person. That recklessness, combined with his physical gifts and mind for the game, made him the best defensive player I ever saw. But those same attributes haven't helped him in his post-football career. I'm not going to excuse his mistakes.....but he's hurt himself alot more than he's hurt anyone else. I don't want to go off on an LT sermon, because that topic usually gets out of hand, and my views on prostitution are political.
            Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 12-13-2012, 09:17 PM.
            "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

            "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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            • #7
              Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
              Here is how I rank things:

              1) I'm a Giants fan first....if a player leaves, I'll wish him well (depending on how he handled himself while a Giant).
              2) I judge a player based on what he does on the field.....if he helps the Giants win, and handled himself like a pro, that's great.
              3) Personal character is important. I like the fact that we have Eli Manning, and not Ben Roethlisberger as our QB.

              Regarding the whole LT thing......he's a reckless person. That recklessness, combined with his physical gifts and mind for the game, made him the best defensive player I ever saw. But those same attributes haven't helped him in his post-football career. I'm not going to excuse his mistakes.....but he's hurt himself alot more than he's hurt anyone else. I don't want to go off on an LT sermon, because that topic usually gets out of hand, and my views on prostitution are political.
              I just imagine him as just a wild animal that Parcells unleashed on offenses than a human. He's not a POS to me though but he's not Tebow either.

              The steelers defense always seemed like disciplined soldiers

              The bears defense are more like just really big men(or bears).


              where the giants is like a

              "PACK OF CRAZED DOGS, HAVE SOME FUN!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                I just imagine him as just a wild animal that Parcells unleashed on offenses than a human. He's not a POS to me though but he's not Tebow either.

                The steelers defense always seemed like disciplined soldiers

                The bears defense are more like just really big men(or bears).

                where the giants is like a

                "PACK OF CRAZED DOGS, HAVE SOME FUN!"
                Lawrence Taylor was born to wreak havoc.

                I wish he had the maturity of a Carl Banks or Harry Carson, but that's not the case.

                2000 years ago, he would have been fighting lions inside the Roman Coliseum.
                Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 12-13-2012, 09:45 PM.
                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  I'm a team homer. Players, good and bad, come and go.
                  Dont think i could say it any better than this. +1
                  Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                  ~Big Mike~

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                    Lawrence Taylor was born to wreak havoc.

                    I wish he had the maturity of a Carl Banks or Harry Carson, but that's not the case.

                    2000 years ago, he would have been fighting lions inside the Roman Coliseum.
                    And this would have been his helmet:

                    I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                      Lawrence Taylor was born to wreak havoc.

                      I wish he had the maturity of a Carl Banks or Harry Carson, but that's not the case.

                      2000 years ago, he would have been fighting lions inside the Roman Colliseum.
                      He gives me some hope. Like when he said that "there's no more LT, just Lawrence Taylor" and he apoligized for the prostitution.

                      My sister works as a nurse. One time one of her collegues was working on a vietnam war vet. The Vietnam vet immediatly told my sisters partner to take her top off. My sister asked "why didn't you do anything"? She said "oh all the old men from that time willsay stuff like that". The vet later strongly apoligized. LT played in the 80s.

                      It doesn't make it better but I can certainly relate to it because at least you know when Taylor says "he lived in a different time" he REALLY means it. Not to mention from what I've seen of the testimony of the girl. It happened, but it was far from rape.

                      He was a wild dog back then. But he isn't now.
                      Last edited by GentleGiant; 12-13-2012, 09:53 PM.

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                      • #12
                        LT, Lawrence Taylor..... Has been a staple of this team since when he started with us back on September 6, 1981. That guy was and is the S**t. He was and still is my hero other than Rickey Henderson. LT knew no boundries and was kept on a short but prominent leash by the one and only Bill Parcells.

                        That was a great feat. I do not want anyone on these boards to ever try to compare what he did on the field from what he did off the field. The man is a LEGEND on the field and shall remain as such. I am sure that most of the posters on these boards have issues yet they dont get into the NATIONAL news cause we arent worth crap to broadcast about.

                        What he did off the field was a complete setup by a pimp and a girl with a fake ID to get money= extortion!!! LT fought it and won. ENOUGH about it. HE will ALWAYS be the best LB in Giants History, if not in NFL history. Get off your high horse!
                        "KILL'EM ALL AND LET THE PARAMEDICS SORT'EM OUT!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FIFTY6G-MAN View Post
                          LT, Lawrence Taylor..... Has been a staple of this team since when he started with us back on September 6, 1981. That guy was and is the S**t. He was and still is my hero other than Rickey Henderson. LT knew no boundries and was kept on a short but prominent leash by the one and only Bill Parcells.

                          That was a great feat. I do not want anyone on these boards to ever try to compare what he did on the field from what he did off the field. The man is a LEGEND on the field and shall remain as such. I am sure that most of the posters on these boards have issues yet they dont get into the NATIONAL news cause we arent worth crap to broadcast about.

                          What he did off the field was a complete setup by a pimp and a girl with a fake ID to get money= extortion!!! LT fought it and won. ENOUGH about it. HE will ALWAYS be the best LB in Giants History, if not in NFL history. Get off your high horse!
                          LT was ranked #3 the greatest player of all time enough said

                          You have to respect the legend of Lawrance Taylor

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Broadway Blue View Post
                            LT was ranked #3 the greatest player of all time enough said

                            You have to respect the legend of Lawrance Taylor
                            Are you agreeing with me? I thought that was what my whole post was about. I even stated "LEGEND" on the field. BTW, I even met him at Soldier Field back in 1993 in the end zone. Holy Crap was I in awe. Only 2 years in the Military and I was meeting my hero in the endzone prior to a game against the bears that we dominated.
                            Last edited by FIFTY6G-MAN; 12-13-2012, 10:22 PM.
                            "KILL'EM ALL AND LET THE PARAMEDICS SORT'EM OUT!"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FIFTY6G-MAN View Post
                              Are you agreeing with me? I thought that was what my whole post was about.
                              I agree with you and it was well put

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