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  • Defensive Talent???

    The fire Fewell threads/posts since yesterday rely on the premise that we have such great talent on defense that our defensive problems have to be the DC's fault.

    Am I missing something here? Where is this defensive talent that Fewell is supposed to work with?

    2 out of 3 of our top pass rushers are completely shot. Webster is on the downside of his career. Our LB's are awful. One of our starting safeties can't stay on the field because of chronic knee problems. And to top it off yesterday, one of our starting CB's was out.

    I just don't see it. I'm not sure what Fewell can do to make this defense better when it gets zero pass rush. Blitz more with half of the starting secondary out?

    Please enlighten me.

  • #2
    I don't get the fewell hate when the loss was primarily on KILLDRIVE... Fewell had to do more with less talent, Killdrive took the superior talent he had off the field...

    I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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    • #3
      We praise Reese because he brings in so much talent. But we protect the coaches because we don't have that much talent. Which is it? Do we or don't we have a talented team?

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      • #4
        Prince, Rolle, KP, Webster, all first round picks. Granted Prince and Kp are injured at the moment, but there is talent on this defense and they are underperforming. Even when healthy theyre still not great against the pass.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jahh View Post
          We praise Reese because he brings in so much talent. But we protect the coaches because we don't have that much talent. Which is it? Do we or don't we have a talented team?
          We had great talent at the start of the season. On paper, a nickel setup with Prince, Webster, Phillips, Rolle, and Stevie is not half-bad. Only weak link is Webster. Tuck and Osi deciding to not show up and 3 of those 5 starting secondary players getting injured didn't help.

          On offense, Locklear and Brown getting hurt basically gimped our offense. And both are out for the season at this point... But the main credit goes to Killdrive for trying to force players into his style rather than adapting it.

          JR did his job. Injuries and poor coaching on offense undid that work.

          I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
            Prince, Rolle, KP, Webster, all first round picks. Granted Prince and Kp are injured at the moment, but there is talent on this defense and they are underperforming. Even when healthy theyre still not great against the pass.
            Webster is clearly on the downside; KP can't stay on the field and Prince was out yesterday.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jahh View Post
              We praise Reese because he brings in so much talent. But we protect the coaches because we don't have that much talent. Which is it? Do we or don't we have a talented team?
              You tell me. This thread isn't about Reese.

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              • #8
                well , i'm no defensive guru , but if you don't have a natural pass rush
                with 4 linemen then you need to be creative and dial something up.
                today's QB's are going to carve you up if you don't get in their grill.

                we get burned anyway ....so why not blitz anyway.

                but i don't think we have blue chip defensive players.....as you already pointed out.

                and please tell me why when i watch other teams run against us .....there are holes everywhere...
                does anyone on the D-line have more than 10 tackles this year ?
                but when we run it looks we are running straight into a heard of buffalo.

                so i guess the truth is , we have mainly pedestrian players combined with mediocre coaching.
                Last edited by stormblue; 12-17-2012, 01:12 PM.
                due to the fact that I am from the Woodstock generation ...
                my opinions may be chemically enhanced and influenced by severe episodes of memory loss

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GMENAGAIN View Post
                  Webster is clearly on the downside; KP can't stay on the field and Prince was out yesterday.
                  Well, to be fair too Webster, Fewell leaves him with out safety help a lot, and hes not as good in zone as he is in man. Also, the corners arent jamming anyone anymore. They did for like a game or two and now...nada.

                  You asked if we have talent, injuries aside, yes we do.

                  This is Fewells 3rd year and we still have serious miscues in the secondary.

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                  • #10
                    The effort, especially from the front 4, just doesn't appear to be there. I do think missing KP hurts sorely, and Prince is much better than Hosely, but it is Fewell's job to account for this and make the necessary adjustments. There's blame all around, not just on one person.

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                    • #11
                      Put it this way. Spags did a lot more with a lot less in 2008.
                      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                      Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                        Put it this way. Spags did a lot more with a lot less in 2008.
                        Disagree. Spags had a much better pass rush.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stormblue View Post
                          well , i'm no defensive guru , but if you don't have a natural pass rush
                          with 4 linemen then you need to be creative and dial something up.
                          today's QB's are going to carve you up if you don't get in their grill.

                          we get burned anyway ....so why not blitz anyway.

                          but i don't think we have blue chip defensive players.....as you already pointed out.

                          and please tell me why when i watch other teams run against us .....there are holes everywhere...
                          does anyone on the D-line have more than 10 tackles this year ?
                          but when we run it looks we are running straight into a heard of buffalo.

                          so i guess the truth is , we have mainly pedestrian players combined with mediocre coaching.
                          I also don't understand our inability to stop the run. If Linval Joseph is so great, why are teams just gouging us up the middle?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GMENAGAIN View Post
                            Disagree. Spags had a much better pass rush.
                            All things considered, if you put Strahan and JPP as about equal, plus you have a much younger and hungry Tuck and Osi, and that pass rush actually gets to the QB.

                            Also Webby was a rookie and not washed out.

                            I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                              All things considered, if you put Strahan and JPP as about equal, plus you have a much younger and hungry Tuck and Osi, and that pass rush actually gets to the QB.

                              Also Webby was a rookie and not washed out.
                              Webby wasn't a rookie, it was just the first year that he played well.

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