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  • Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

    He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl.

    But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes.

    Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message.

    I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators.

    Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?

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    Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.



    [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]







    Is this true? I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.




    So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

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    • #3
      Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

      Do you realize how much this roster has turned over since the Superbowl?

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      • #4
        Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

        [quote user="Ruttiger711"]

        [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]




        *




        Is this true?* I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.*




        So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

        [/quote]

        No big FAs want to play here because Reese isn't willing to pay them big money...

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        • #5
          Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.


          Dude he went right back to his old ways after he got his new contract. He just brought the players council back this year after dismantling it on 09 because he knew he had to produce this season.

          He's just run his course. Being a hardass is cool as long as your winning. If you're not the players tune stuff out pretty quick. We're losers for 3 years running.
          My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

          Burier: Yes.

          My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

          Burier: Yes. I promise.

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          • #6
            Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

            [quote user="Ruttiger711"]

            [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]







            Is this true? I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.




            So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

            [/quote]

            This is the drum beat of the "Haters Inc." Coughlin is to blame for everything up to and including genital herpes to some fans. They point to past comments of Tiki Barber and Plaxico Burress to buttress up their position. They will even go so far as to add Strahan, Phillips, and Rolle to the list but all three of them have said most recently that TC is a good coach. Strahan admits he hated TC until he finally understood what his philosophy is. Rolle was a FA so how did he not want to "play for Coughlin."

            Fans are very passionate and let their emotional get in the way of logic at times.

            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #7
              Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

              [quote user="Ruttiger711"]

              [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]







              Is this true? I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.




              So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

              [/quote]

              This is the drum beat of the "Haters Inc." Coughlin is to blame for everything up to and including genital herpes to some fans. They point to past comments of Tiki Barber and Plaxico Burress to buttress up their position. They will even go so far as to add Strahan, Phillips, and Rolle to the list but all three of them have said most recently that TC is a good coach. Strahan admits he hated TC until he finally understood what his philosophy is. Rolle was a FA so how did he not want to "play for Coughlin."

              Fans are very passionate and let their emotional get in the way of logic at times.

              Players' coaches and hard line coaches get results. Ryan and Coughlin are about as far apart as could be on the coaching style spectrum. Which one's team is blazing a trail at the moment?

              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #8
                Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                [quote user="yoeddy"][quote user="Ruttiger711"]

                [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]







                Is this true? I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.




                So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

                [/quote]

                No big FAs want to play here because Reese isn't willing to pay them big money...[/quote]

                That's really not true. The GIANTS philosophy is to build from withing and via the draft. They just don't believe it's wise to take on "someone else's headache" as George Young said many years ago. That sentiment is still alive today in the FO.
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • #9
                  Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                  [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="yoeddy"][quote user="Ruttiger711"]

                  [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]




                  *




                  Is this true?* I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.*




                  So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

                  [/quote]

                  No big FAs want to play here because Reese isn't willing to pay them big money...[/quote]

                  That's really not true.* The GIANTS philosophy is to build from withing and via the draft.* They just don't believe it's wise to take on "someone else's headache" as George Young said many years ago.* That sentiment is still alive today in the FO.
                  [/quote]

                  If ownership cares about the team and the fans then Coughlin will be fired baring some resurgence by the Giants. We win these next two games and then do something in the playoffs.

                  It doesn't matter whos fault it is. 7 of the 8 years he's been here we've won 0 playoffs games. Something isn't working
                  My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                  Burier: Yes.

                  My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                  Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                    Just as we cleaned house with Shockey and Burress it's time to do the same with Rolle, Ross, Canty, Grant.............

                    This is not what the NY Giants are all about. They currently are an embarrassment across the board.

                    A good portion of them really don't care about their performance from week to week.

                    Clean house entirely.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                      [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="Ruttiger711"]

                      [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]




                      *




                      Is this true?* I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.*




                      So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

                      [/quote]

                      This is the drum beat of the "Haters Inc."* Coughlin is to blame for everything up to and including genital herpes to some fans.* They point to past comments of Tiki Barber and Plaxico Burress to buttress up their position.* They will even go so far as to add Strahan, Phillips, and Rolle to the list but all three of them have said most recently that TC is a good coach.* Strahan admits he hated TC until he finally understood what his philosophy is.* Rolle was a FA so how did he not want to "play for Coughlin."

                      Fans are very passionate and let their emotional get in the way of logic at times.

                      [/quote]That's not hate, that's the way it is. If I were a player with 32 teams to choose from, the Giants in their current state would probably be one of my last choices. Coughlin doesn't want leaders on this team, he wants a bunch of "Yes-Men". Never have I've seen such a lack of passion on the sideline from the players. He treats those men like lil boys... please!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                        [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="yoeddy"][quote user="Ruttiger711"]

                        [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]




                        *




                        Is this true?* I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.*




                        So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

                        [/quote]

                        No big FAs want to play here because Reese isn't willing to pay them big money...[/quote]

                        That's really not true.* The GIANTS philosophy is to build from withing and via the draft.* They just don't believe it's wise to take on "someone else's headache" as George Young said many years ago.* That sentiment is still alive today in the FO.
                        [/quote]

                        I disagree...the Giants FO builds the team by drafting the best players available and using FA for specific needs. "someone else's headache" is exactly what the team took on when they signed Plaxico...clearly talented, but Pittsburgh let him become a FA and made no attempt to re-sign him because he was a headache. The Giants were able to land him because no one else was offering him a big contract, allow Accorsi to get him without paying big money (relatively speaking).

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                        • #13
                          Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                          [quote user="burier"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="yoeddy"][quote user="Ruttiger711"]

                          [quote user="JMFP2"]He turned over a new leaf, and it helped him reconcile with Strahan, and in turn guided the team to the Super Bowl. But Strahan is retired now, AP too, and this team doesn't have the players with the leadership qualities needed to police their own attitudes. Rolle might be the exception, but I doubt his teammates take him seriously, and his play doesn't back up his message. I think Coughlin has just been too easy on these guys since they won the SB, and this also goes for his coordinators. Does anyone think for a minute that Parcells would have put up with what he saw on the field, and from his coordinators, v. the Redkins?[/quote]




                          *




                          Is this true?* I could swear I've read other posters write that Coughlin managed to change for the superbowl run but he's "reverted to his old ways" and thats why no big FA's want to play here.*




                          So is it a "player's coach" that we want or is it a hard-***?

                          [/quote]

                          No big FAs want to play here because Reese isn't willing to pay them big money...[/quote]

                          That's really not true.* The GIANTS philosophy is to build from withing and via the draft.* They just don't believe it's wise to take on "someone else's headache" as George Young said many years ago.* That sentiment is still alive today in the FO.
                          [/quote]

                          If ownership cares about the team and the fans then Coughlin will be fired baring some resurgence by the Giants. We win these next two games and then do something in the playoffs.

                          It doesn't matter whos fault it is. 7 of the 8 years he's been here we've won 0 playoffs games. Something isn't working[/quote]

                          In every playoff game outside of 2007, the Giants have lost at home. Maybe it's the fans' fault...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                            His biggest problem is he not enough of a x and o's guy. Hence the reason we are constantly outcoached.
                            Emperor Tom

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                            • #15
                              Re: Tom Coughlin's problem: he's too nice.

                              This. It is patently obvious to me that some of the free agent contracts have had a seriously negative locker room effect (Osi, et al). Rolle spouts his mouth and rarely backs it up on the field. I would much rather build from within but the Giants have let guys go that were at least good character guys and Reese has missed terribly on depth picks for....well....every year he has been here. It is definitely time to part ways with Rolle, Ross, and Grant. Canty I wouldn't mind seeing back if they can restructure his deal.

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