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  • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    Its actually fairly interesting around the league, which of the very highly paid QBs have good defenses?

    If you exclude Peyton, because he just signed with a team this season, you have what, Brees with the worst defense, brady with a horrible defense, Rogers defense has been bad two years in a row, who else? Even the steelers defense is starting to fall apart

    And if you look at the great defenses, all of them have either young QBs on rookie deals, or very average QBs.
    it's pretty simple actually. Great QBs cost money - leaving no money to spread around. When you have a great QB, you'so going to be offense-centric.
    http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

    Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
      Arent u supposed to use 95% of the cap each year from the new collective bargaining agreement
      something like that. I read that's why deangello williams got such a big deal.
      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

      Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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      • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
        it's pretty simple actually. Great QBs cost money - leaving no money to spread around. When you have a great QB, you'so going to be offense-centric.
        Yes it's simple. But I don't believe most fans understand that. They expect a team with a very highly paid QB to also field a great defense. Which from a cap perspective is nearly impossible. Have to be extremely lucky when it comes to guys on rookie contracts and any low priced FAs

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        • lucky or you dont spend 7- 9mil on decent players just to keep them around. you cut that crap out and suffer one year of hits and then you can use those $$$ to get some younger FA help.

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          • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            Yes it's simple. But I don't believe most fans understand that. They expect a team with a very highly paid QB to also field a great defense. Which from a cap perspective is nearly impossible. Have to be extremely lucky when it comes to guys on rookie contracts and any low priced FAs
            Yup. These day's it's all about who can find the best value stop gaps to go along with your small handful of corner stone players. And in general the draft is where you usually find value.

            imo, if you have a great qb, you just need a defense that is good enough to win with. it doesn't have to be great, good even. Right now, our defense blows but we're only allowing 20 points a game. With our offense, we SHOULD be able to win with that.
            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

            Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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            • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
              lucky or you dont spend 7- 9mil on decent players just to keep them around. you cut that crap out and suffer one year of hits and then you can use those $$$ to get some younger FA help.
              Well, the strange thing is, hitting on players in the draft isnt always a positive, because sooner or later you have to pay those guys if you want to keep them. Sometimes you are better off finding a bunch of good players, instead of a few stars.

              Or the ultimate would be to keep drafting studs with every draft pick, and replace great players with younger cheaper great players. But that idea is just not sustainable for any length of time.

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              • When i take a look at most of those guys on the list , i feel we could get similar production at half the cap space. Giants need to stop trying to hang on like that bad moss trade, and move on.

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                • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                  When i take a look at most of those guys on the list , i feel we could get similar production at half the cap space. Giants need to stop trying to hang on like that bad moss trade, and move on.
                  Problem is they need to find a way to rid them of the player without the cap hit. Perhaps try trading some of them away, but who wants those players for that kind of a cap hit?

                  I really would like to see one of the beat reporters look at those guys on the list and tell us who could be released and how much of a cap hit it would be next season.

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                  • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                    Yes it's simple. But I don't believe most fans understand that. They expect a team with a very highly paid QB to also field a great defense. Which from a cap perspective is nearly impossible. Have to be extremely lucky when it comes to guys on rookie contracts and any low priced FAs
                    the broncos pay peyton over 20the mil per yr and they have a stacked defense and run game to go with peyton...but i think ur point is valid bc i cant think of another team in the position

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                    • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                      the broncos pay peyton over 20the mil per yr and they have a stacked defense and run game to go with peyton...but i think ur point is valid bc i cant think of another team in the position

                      Peyton is also in the first year of his contract, and almost every player on the denver defense is on their rookie contract, as is most of the offense. Its just not sustainable long term.

                      When they have to pay Von Miller, and Demaryius Thomas, and Ryan Clady, all of a sudden they have to start letting guys go.

                      The colts have roughly a 3 year window before they start finding themselves in cap trouble. Which is probably as long as manning will end up playing, so manning leaving alleviates most of the cap problem.
                      Last edited by slipknottin; 12-21-2012, 05:58 PM.

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                      • I agree, Philly always seems to know when its time to pull the plug on a player.

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                        • I think philly structures contracts that help them when players get hurt but when a player is good they cant really give them money. What i mean is philly gives a lot of money overall but not guaranteed so when it doesnt work out they cut a player with no fault and are able to attract more guys because of the seemingly higher payday. However, once they need to sign a guy they usually cant commit all that money. In the end, it still the eagles, and they havent done anything well ever

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                          • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                            How many think Eli was worth that amount this season I wonder?

                            What was his cap number this year? He sure wasn't worth a $20MM cap hit in 2012.........

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                            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              The season's not over and, in fairness, you have to look at the whole body of work. I'll reserve comment.

                              Yeah, I view it differently. I view contracts as one complete event, not an annual series of events and look at the performance in relative terms to the market. I think Eli has pretty much earned his contract, particularly when viewed within the context of what franchise QBs make.

                              That said, if one were to view only one year at a time it's looking like it might be tough to be satisfied with this year's performance.

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                              • Originally posted by Giggles2013 View Post
                                Reese needs to spend the next three to five years rebuilding this team into a a playoff contender. Getting rid of guys like Diehl, Webster, Tuck, etc. might not be a bad thing since they are dead weight. We need to get younger, healthier, and more talented.
                                The team is playoff contending now.

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