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  • How do you earn playing time if Tom Coughlin is your head coach?

    In spite of how this season is turning out, Tom Coughlin in my opinion is one of the best coaches when it comes to getting guys prepared for a game. That being said, he is a big reason why we've been so successful since he has been here, and i respect him. But from a players prospective What do you have to do in order to earn playing time? Here are some examples of why i ask this question.

    1. Cruz had a break out year in training camp and was one of the biggest preseason sensations The NFL as ever seen by an undrafted free agent, but still wasn't able to make his way onto the staring line up. They even forced him onto injury reserve (like they do with everyone they want to keep) when he didn't have a season ending injury. The next year Hixon had to go down in order for cruz to finally get his chance. and Even so, Tom even tried playing Bradon Stokley before giving cruz a real shot.

    2. Ojomo is another example. he lead the team in sacks during the preseason and showed to be a dominant force. However, he hasnt even been activated once this season, and he isnt even on the injury report. i dont think anyone is asking for him to be a full time starter, but the guy isnt even getting playing time. even Adrian Tracy is a head of him on the depth chart.

    3. Ryan Perrilloux. This one actually bothered me the most because he took advantage of all his opportunities during the preseason. (8/9 passes completed, for X yards and 2 touchdowns). The guy basically made good throws and didnt turn the ball over during his limited chances. David carr played garbage and struggled to even complete passes. When it became time for the 3rd and 4th string guys to play in the final preseason game, in spite of how garbage Carr looked, TC kept Ryan on the sidelines and didnt even give him and opportunity to go out there and audition. No chance to earn anything. He made him suit up for nothing. ive never seen a coach do this before.

    4. David wilson. The whole blocking excuse goes out the window now. Bradshaw came in hurt last week and whiffed on every block and what did Tom decide to do? He let Hynoski take his place on blocking situations (shotgun) and gave Bradshaw the ball when they lined up in the eye. You couldn't do that with Wilson earlier on in the season? Wilson touched the ball 3 times for 17 yards and a td. In those 3 touches he averaged 5.7 yards a carry. He has been our best special teams player and he has shown us all what he is capable of. But nope. He still hasn't earned playing time. Tom would rather give the ball to an injured player, or a guy that was recently signed and doesn't know the playbook than to further help the development of a healthy first round pick who has proven that he is dangerous with the ball in his hands.

    5. Sean Locklear comes in and outperforms David Diehl by a mile showing the coaches that he deserves to be a starter. The coaches even admit that Locklear played good and did everything right, however he still wasn't able to earn the starting right tackle job ( One of the most important positions in the NFL.)

    I could keep going down the list and name guys like david Douglas who played better than Jennigan or mention Jpp who is another guy who didnt get much playing time as a rookie (mostly played on special teams). But i dont want this post to be too long.

    On this team it seems as though you only get opportunities when players get injured and not based on how you play. What are your thoughts?
    Last edited by Marvelousmik; 12-25-2012, 03:12 PM.
    Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

    ~Big Mike~


  • #2
    I don't think the player preference is exclusive to Coughlin. Every fan base has had a preference [and one that may be justified] for one player over the other. But the "Coughlin doesn't like rookies" argument has long been debated for reasons I don't understand. No matter how polished the prospect is, there is ALWAYS a transition to the NFL that takes some time. Why people want to rush a player and compromise the offense for a few "flashes" is beyond me. You should find it fortuante that the Giants aren't in a roster position where they HAVE TO start a rookie over a current stocked roster.

    And if that doesn't absorb, there are plenty of rookies that have already played their share with first teams during Coughlin's tenure as a Giant HC which undermines the rookie theory by iteslf/

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    • #3
      You Don't

      Wilson is the main example I'll agree with you on. I suppose Ojomo is another one, but we have plenty of healthy ends (just none of them produced this year). Side note: Tuck is a straight bum and if he is our starter next year I might lose my mind.

      Wilson needs to be featured, Coughlin needs to seriously address these second half collapses and Reese/the F.O. have some serious work cut out for them this offseason.

      I tried warning some of you over a month ago that we were collapsing again. I was met with serious criticism and labeled a negative nancy. Yeah, now what?

      We can't put all the blame on just one aspect of the team. Its not only the coaches, not only the players, not only the Front Office. Its all three phases. We aren't that good of a team the last 8 games of a season. Simple as that. Something needs to change, and it starts with letting a lot of coaches and players walk.

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      • #4
        Aside from Wilson, "not letting rookies play" is absolutely not the issue. Lack of preparation, lack of heart, and this mind-set that Coughlin has embraced that we can just flip the switch and get hot once our back is against the wall and win the superbowl no problem is complete crap and frankly I'm a bit fed up with it.

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        • #5
          The first Super Bowl they won they used how many draft picks? Wilson is not Super Man. He will not take it to the house every carry and he is a liability protecting a non mobile QB like Eli. Does TC really not want to use Wilson? Then why did the 2nd and 3rd round pick get more playing time than him this year?

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          • #6
            Ryan Perrilloux? Really? This is a concern for you?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
              The first Super Bowl they won they used how many draft picks? Wilson is not Super Man. He will not take it to the house every carry and he is a liability protecting a non mobile QB like Eli. Does TC really not want to use Wilson? Then why did the 2nd and 3rd round pick get more playing time than him this year?
              what about ojomo never being activated. not even playing special teams
              Last edited by Marvelousmik; 12-25-2012, 06:10 PM.
              Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

              ~Big Mike~

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              • #8
                how many times did Bradshaw get Eli sacked? and you are worried about Wilson getting him killed? at least he got in front of the guy in the Atlanta game, maybe he got blown up, but he impeded his progress, what did Bradshaw do?

                tell me,

                if you were the Coach, would you have kept Bradshaw in?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                  what about ojomo never being activated. not even playing special teams
                  Two thoughts on that. They have not been technically knocked out of the post season yet. Maybe they where hoping to ave Tuck and Osi get back to last seasons form when they needed it most at the end. The other, maybe he s not as good as we though by seeing him against second and third string offenses in the pre season. Whatever the reason, they have proven many of times the are not afraid to use rookies.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                    Two thoughts on that. They have not been technically knocked out of the post season yet. Maybe they where hoping to ave Tuck and Osi get back to last seasons form when they needed it most at the end. The other, maybe he s not as good as we though by seeing him against second and third string offenses in the pre season. Whatever the reason, they have proven many of times the are not afraid to use rookies.
                    im not saying they are afraid to use rookies. my question is how do you earn playing time?
                    Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                    ~Big Mike~

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                    • #11
                      Bradshaw is one of the bet blocking RB's in the NFL. Seeing Wilson get blown up like that should have had DC's planning on blitzing the second they see him in the game.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                        im not saying they are afraid to use rookies. my question is how do you earn playing time?
                        Be very good or have lots of injuries in front of you. You don't automatically play because of your draft position if you are not ready.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                          Bradshaw is one of the bet blocking RB's in the NFL. Seeing Wilson get blown up like that should have had DC's planning on blitzing the second they see him in the game.
                          He was a good blocking RB and that's only when he's healthy. but in terms of his running ability this guy is currently the worse RB, if he was cut today no team would sign him. I'm not hating on Bradshaw and I know that he's tough and playing through injuries but still when you look at the RBs on other teams they all look better than Bradshaw. The lack of a run game is one reason why this offense is struggling, I know the Oline isn't great but the only time when our run game actually looked good this season is when Brown or Wilson was getting a lot of carries.
                          Last edited by Cloud57; 12-25-2012, 06:41 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                            Be very good or have lots of injuries in front of you. You don't automatically play because of your draft position if you are not ready.
                            then how do you explain adrian tracy being a head of ojomo when ojomo played better than him in the preseason? its not like tracy has been a stud in the regular season or on special teams. what about david douglas getting cut for jennigan, or diehl starting a head of locklear? my point has nothing to do with draft position.
                            Last edited by Marvelousmik; 12-25-2012, 06:54 PM.
                            Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                            ~Big Mike~

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                            • #15
                              Ha now there is a question that no one has the answer to!!!
                              Go Giants!!!

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