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  • #46
    Originally posted by EliDaMANning View Post
    Makes a lot of sense now that we're always down by double digits in the first quarter.
    how so ?

    every team in the league for the past 40 years or so has scripted the first 15

    it has proven to be a very strategic way to get a feel for how defenses will react to certain formations

    but somehow when Gilbride does it ...it's no good?

    ...if anything it proves that this offense couldn't execute a death row inmate

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    • #47
      Originally posted by YATittle1962 View Post
      it is very common in the NFL

      less common than it was say 10 or 15 years ago.....but still quite common

      Bill Walsh was widely known for this ......and sticking to it always

      and Gilbride does do this ....but does not always stick to it

      a couple articles on the topic

      http://www.profootballweekly.com/201...-opening-plays

      http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/gia...td-to-gilbride
      Interesting articles, thanks. It sounds like they do it just as much to see how the D reacts to certain formations or movement as to score. Also, it indicates that 3rd down is not part of the script (which resolves the situation I posted earlier).

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      • #48
        So, all those who want KG fired, who do you have in mind as his replacement? What makes them better/more qualified than a man who consistently runs a top ten offense and has won 2 SBs?

        What "creative" play do you want to see on 3rd and 1? The Flea-flicker?
        Do not feed the trolls.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by sheepdip View Post
          Thought so. I hate being right but he needs to be replaced. Giants playmakers arent taking 10 yard plays for 80 yard tds anymore and the league has easily shut our offense down and Killdrive has no clue how to fix the problem. He has only been coaching for how many years???? He needs guys on offense to bail him out like Cruz did all last year or nicks did in the playoffs. This team couldnt go 80 yards down the field methodically as the offense is built for hope and pray plays down the field. I am beyond frustrated with this offense and the lack of being able to make a simple play or get a couple of first downs. Why is the browns offense better then ours ? KC's offense is probably better then ours. Players or System ???.
          Its funny Baltimore and Atlanta seemed to have an idea on offense what they will run and to attack certain players or when to call plays vs our blitzes or whatever. Do you ever get the sense we have a single plan on offense to attack other teams ?? It is almost like we have no plan.... Judging by the body of work our offense cant even get a first down. Do you ever see Brady or Brees or whoever have that much difficulty ? win or loose it doesnt matter the fact that we are incapable of making a first down is scarry. We had what 180 yards most of them garbage yards and 1 play that got us 43 yards which was a hope and pray throw up in the air ?? seriously that is alarming. Ravens defense isnt the same ravens defense of old but of course we made them look like the 85 bears.

          I think we need to get rid of the OC bigtime and get some new idea and get rid of this down field passing cr ap. Its not working. Dallas I think exposed us on this and provided the blue print on how to stop our offense.
          I've been a KG supporter, and still am. It's not KG's fault that Eli hasn't had a good year, that Nicks has been playing injured and that Cruz hasn't been the same since that blast he took against the Bengals. Not KG's fault that our talent on the o-line is very mediocre. Not his fault that AB is constantly playing on bad feet. The Giants have had some of the highest scoring offenses since he's been our OC, and we've won 2 SB's with him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by JJC7301 View Post
            I've been a KG supporter, and still am. It's not KG's fault that Eli hasn't had a good year, that Nicks has been playing injured and that Cruz hasn't been the same since that blast he took against the Bengals. Not KG's fault that our talent on the o-line is very mediocre. Not his fault that AB is constantly playing on bad feet. The Giants have had some of the highest scoring offenses since he's been our OC, and we've won 2 SB's with him.
            No, but its KG's fault for calling as many shotgun draws as he does. If it doesn't work, stop using it!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by BigBlue wins View Post
              No, but its KG's fault for calling as many shotgun draws as he does. If it doesn't work, stop using it!
              He's not perfect, but I'll take him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                The shotgun draw on 3rd and 1 is predictable, but that means nothing. If any defense gears up to stop it, Eli will just burn them over the top. The predictability means absolutely nothing, and the fact that they spread the field only displays a lack in confidence with the OL. We can't line up, hat on a hat, and just overpower a team for one yard, we need to get them in a nickel defense and hopefully create a crease for the back to get through.
                Multiple times this year our pass rush has been burned by an efficient short passing game.
                I can't believe Eli can not be as good at this, as anyone in the league if it was incorporated
                into the playbook early in the season (or better yet the off season).

                I realize gilbride could not have known that Nicks would be injured all season
                (although he has been out a lot, so he could have guessed), which took away a huge
                part of his scheme. But I for the life of me can not believe he did not know his O-line
                was going to be barely adequate and that is was one (maybe 2) injury away from horrible.

                I keep asking, but no one answers as to what GB did to try an alleviate that situation??
                It seemed to me the plan was

                1. Max protect with only TE/RB's that can not block.
                2. Play one and a half top tier receivers and multiple unknowns @ 3rd (cept Hix, who did very well).
                3. Never pass to RB's unless already under complete pass rush duress.

                What I don't get is if you have multiple injuries and the scheme is not working.
                Why not take huge chances on something else and see what happens.

                I'm not going to argue that many of the players underperfromed, but the
                number of them can not be fixed by next year. Are GB supporters telling me
                this organization is going to do everything exactly the same as this year,
                hoping to god that the players can execute next year. No backup plan
                just in case? If that's so, it's just ridiculous. No successful business
                would ever run with that plan, especially when that plan has already failed them.

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                • #53
                  I am not a crazy Gilbride hater, he's been a good OC. However the stretches this season where our offense has had a basic inability score TD's in the redzone, not be able to compete in shootouts, and the last two weeks not do anything at all...should all have KG looking in the mirror. Regardless of whether it's more of an execution problem, gameplan, or scheme problem, it's his job as the OC to take a long look at it this offseason and fix it. An offense that has this much talent, and this qb, should not be failing to compete in shootouts or have the output they've had the last two weeks. It's mind-boggling.

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                  • #54
                    lot of people must of missed the article on the coordinators seeking answers.....15 games into the season and the OC/DC are just now figuring out that there is a problem. With Bubba Gump "PF" and Killdrive leading the way..it's a wonder we got 2 rings off these circus freaks(Granted Pf was only with one but I consider him to be Sheridan 2.0 and the only thing differentr is his skin complexion). TC is just here to yell at the sideline and throw challenge flags.

                    It's gonna be a long time before us giants fans know what it's like to consistantly have 13-3. 12-4, 11-5 seasons but I will tell you this....you'll never see it happen with this freak show leading the charge...and the sad thing is...Eli's talent clock is ticking down....TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

                    If PF and KG staying on this teams only holdup is TC wants them to stay...then he needs to go too. I love TC but if that's the scenario....then he's part of the problem..not the solution.

                    Furthermore...I don't know where Reese stands in all this...apparently he only worries about the draft and then blindly trusts everything else will work itself out...way to go buddy...way to see it through! I guess making the tough business decisions (Either your productive or your dead weight) is not on your agenda...it's not that hard, you just simply tell that person he no longer has a job anymore...in this economy it's a pretty common thing now-a-days. Don't mind us fans we're just a meaningless part of the equation.


                    //signed//
                    A meaningless fan apparently

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Mercury View Post
                      The offense was putrid this year, however, I defend KG. We have often been a top 10 offense with him as our OC, and he's a big part of why we won 2 SBs. I think our problems are execution of the plays that are called. I'd start with the Oline. It's been patched for too many years. They need a real infusion of talent this off-season. Add in the injuries to key players such as: Locklear, Bradshaw, Snee, and Nicks, and you have an offense that can't execute the play called, whatever the play is. No need to stack the box, because we can't run. Double Cruz, and no one else can be relied on to convert a third down. Those are the real issues with the offense, not KG.
                      my problem is the lack of adjustment. If you can't pass protect, call more timed three step drops and BANG get the ball out. 5 yards at a time adds up......
                      Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

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