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  • Real reason why giants have fallen apart !

    I am excluding the coaches on this one, which I think they are a huge factor in why are season is pretty much over. Look at offensive/defensive #'s and how were loosing.

    Anyways the other reason why giants have fallen off is simple.

    Not physical enough on either side of the ball. Bottom line.

    Did you see Ravens push us around it was embarrassing, Even there offensive players were pushing our Defensive guys around. Did you see there 3rd string LB play like a beast out there ? I thought Rolle was going to be a beast ??? Opponents back up running backs run through our defense like its a joke.

    again bottom line we are simply a soft team. I dont know how a team becomes completely soft ? Did they give up, are coaches to lax ? are they tired of the coaches systems and dont buy in. Is it leaders like Tuck who are cry babies ?



    SOFT TEAM = NO PLAYOFFS

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    Just to add, we won 4 super bowls by physical play and toughness. bottom line.

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    • #3
      They stink and they're inconsistent. End of story.
      “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”
      ― George Carlin

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      • #4
        The OP could considered an actual fact. These players are some of the softest bunch in the league. Talented, but very soft.

        Toughest player we have is easily Kenny Phillips and our best run stopper among LB's and Secondary is probably Prince.

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        • #5
          We are too banged up and old at key positions to be physical.
          "Team sports are a different animal. They tap into deep seeded tribal instincts. Our team vs your team used to be our tribe vs your tribe. Winner takes all – land, plunder, women. You inherently care when you are aligned with a tribe/team. The players are interchangeable but team always stays the same." - JOESONDO from UG forum

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sheepdip View Post
            I am excluding the coaches on this one, which I think they are a huge factor in why are season is pretty much over. Look at offensive/defensive #'s and how were loosing.

            Anyways the other reason why giants have fallen off is simple.

            Not physical enough on either side of the ball. Bottom line.

            Did you see Ravens push us around it was embarrassing, Even there offensive players were pushing our Defensive guys around. Did you see there 3rd string LB play like a beast out there ? I thought Rolle was going to be a beast ??? Opponents back up running backs run through our defense like its a joke.

            again bottom line we are simply a soft team. I dont know how a team becomes completely soft ? Did they give up, are coaches to lax ? are they tired of the coaches systems and dont buy in. Is it leaders like Tuck who are cry babies ?



            SOFT TEAM = NO PLAYOFFS
            Good point.

            I made the same point in another thread about Eli vs the Ravens giving up 3rd down by sliding before the marker so he didn't get hit.

            The least our players could do is go down swinging.
            Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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            • #7
              No HEART............No EFFORT......

              Changes need to be made after the season. Quite a few actually....and you can start with Boley. Watch the Raven game again ( if you can) and see the effort Boley gave.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rico1 View Post
                Changes need to be made after the season. Quite a few actually....and you can start with Boley. Watch the Raven game again ( if you can) and see the effort Boley gave.
                Agreed. Boley had a terrible year.

                But Boley actually played very little in that game. Instead we saw Paysinger and Herzlich.

                Sorry to say but Herzlich has to go also. He cannot tackle.
                Torque it till it breaks, then back off a 1/4 turn.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PBTimmons View Post
                  The OP could considered an actual fact. These players are some of the softest bunch in the league. Talented, but very soft.

                  Toughest player we have is easily Kenny Phillips and our best run stopper among LB's and Secondary is probably Prince.
                  Hahaha prince is one of the toughest guys on the team!?!?! What a joke

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by B-Red22 View Post
                    Hahaha prince is one of the toughest guys on the team!?!?! What a joke
                    I suppose reading comprehension is not a strong suit of yours, eh?

                    I said "our best run stopper among LB's and Secondary is probably Prince." And I actually believe he is. Teams didn't gash us on the edges nearly as much as they did straight up the middle. Prince get's at least half the credit for that. Topped with the fact that he sticks his head in tackles and rarely misses them, he's not a long-shot to be our most solid/tough player.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PBTimmons View Post
                      The OP could considered an actual fact. These players are some of the softest bunch in the league. Talented, but very soft. Toughest player we have is easily Kenny Phillips and our best run stopper among LB's and Secondary is probably Prince.
                      I thought Osi was our best run stopper.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                        Agreed. Boley had a terrible year.

                        But Boley actually played very little in that game. Instead we saw Paysinger and Herzlich.

                        Sorry to say but Herzlich has to go also. He cannot tackle.
                        Agree, Herzich sucks.

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                        • #13
                          We need to start drafting LBers again. When was the last time we had an All-Pro LBer?

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                          • #14
                            A slightly different twist on my theme which is, we need to reload both trenches. OL has been coming (and ignored) for years. DL, particularly at the tackle spot is a surprise. We are also not getting any support at LB which further exposes the DL.
                            No one remembers who came in second.

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                            • #15
                              TOOO SOFT

                              Whimpy team.

                              Prince is solid tackler actually and have no problems with his play. Webster is awful, Paysinger is awful the whole defense is pretty much awful.

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