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  • our offense scores just to spite gilbride - unreal. Eli may change plays - BUT THEY ARE ALL GILBRIDE AND COUGHLINS PLAYS - he is checking based on a pre box read - BASED ON THEIR OFFENSE. He doesn't draw plays up in the sand. They are top 10 almost every year - because they are talented and have good coaches, including KG. Many fans are limited in their understanding of x's and o's so they see the same plays over and over - but they are not seeing the nuances of a pulling guard or a change in a blocking scheme. Hate gilbride all you want cause you can call a shotgun draw but this is not the giants main problem.

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    • Originally posted by dave56dj View Post
      our offense scores just to spite gilbride - unreal. Eli may change plays - BUT THEY ARE ALL GILBRIDE AND COUGHLINS PLAYS - he is checking based on a pre box read - BASED ON THEIR OFFENSE. He doesn't draw plays up in the sand. They are top 10 almost every year - because they are talented and have good coaches, including KG. Many fans are limited in their understanding of x's and o's so they see the same plays over and over - but they are not seeing the nuances of a pulling guard or a change in a blocking scheme. Hate gilbride all you want cause you can call a shotgun draw but this is not the giants main problem.
      Well, it seems to me most fans think that if they can call run or pass that they know the play that's being called.

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      • Even funnier is that they think if they can guess a play right so can the defense (which may be true)- but that doesnt mean they will stop it. The 90 team was the most predictable offense ive seen and wether or not you knew what was coming you weren't stopping it.

        Hell lombardi ran sweeps left and right all day and NO ONE was able to stop it - they were machines at running it. I know I know the gun draw doesn't always work but you'd be suprised to learn that most often it does wether called or not.

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        • Originally posted by dave56dj View Post
          Even funnier is that they think if they can guess a play right so can the defense (which may be true)- but that doesnt mean they will stop it. The 90 team was the most predictable offense ive seen and wether or not you knew what was coming you weren't stopping it.

          Hell lombardi ran sweeps left and right all day and NO ONE was able to stop it - they were machines at running it. I know I know the gun draw doesn't always work but you'd be suprised to learn that most often it does wether called or not.
          With as much film as coaching staffs watch, I'd be surprised if much of anything comes as a surprise... Maybe a few things here or there, but for the most part opposing teams generally know what's coming both offensively and defensively.

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          • I concur with NYG4Life

            Gilbride s very predictable inside the Red Oooops Green Zone. And is our offense so damn complicated that we can never work rookies into the offense like Reid's Eagles, Shanahan's Redskins, and even the Cowboys. I'm tired of this attitude towards rookies. We just can't seem to get our top three picks to shine. Stop. Start. Stutter. Sputter. A glimpse here, a glimpser there. Either they are good and they should move in and play or we didn't have a need at that position. Maybe its a GM issue. Nicks seems to be the only exception to the rule. Cruz was a bluebird. And JPP seems to have peaked. Either the player evaluation is wrong or the system is not allowing these players to reach maximum potential. Which is it?

            Next, is it possible that Coughlin overtrains the team and that exlains the physical and mental sag in November? It can happen to any athlete.

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            • Ha we need to be more like reids eagles? We need to be more like shannahans skins? Shanny had awful offenses until a once in a lifetime qb came along. We've had numbers ever since Gilbride came here. Reid runs, RAN BEFORE HE WAS FIRED, a west coast offense which is not unique but flashier for sure and man did that work out well for the last few years WITH ALL THAT TALENT. OTHER TEAMS GET PAID TO STOP US...you dont always score - you sputter you stop you start - OUR OFFENSE IS STATISTCALLY BETTER then everything you are mentioning and yet thats what you want = oh brother.

              overtrains the team? Lombardi just flipped in his grave, oh boy.

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              • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                The only thing ignorant is your post.
                My friend you do not have a clue. You like most look at wins and losses not a quality, adjustment, etc.
                Look at this guys record. If i am ignorant you are certainly took the short bus to school.

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                • Originally posted by bashful View Post
                  My friend you do not have a clue. You like most look at wins and losses not a quality, adjustment, etc.
                  Look at this guys record. If i am ignorant you are certainly took the short bus to school.
                  Gilbride's record includes 30 years of having top ranked offenses and 2 SB titles.

                  Am I forgetting something?

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                  • http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXcoachesXXGilbKe0.htm&t=1

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                    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                      Gilbride's record includes 30 years of having top ranked offenses and 2 SB titles.

                      Am I forgetting something?
                      Yes you are he was not calling the plays in the last two superbowl wins when we had to go to a hurry up offense.. You sound like the troll the best oc in league. Stats are for sports writers and fans.
                      How many times has he been fired, hit in the head. TC is his only hope for work. If he were let go he would not find a job unless it was a DIII school

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                      • Originally posted by bashful View Post
                        Yes you are he was not calling the plays in the last two superbowl wins when we had to go to a hurry up offense.. You sound like the troll the best oc in league. Stats are for sports writers and fans.
                        How many times has he been fired, hit in the head. TC is his only hope for work. If he were let go he would not find a job unless it was a DIII school
                        He's coached six teams in almost 20 years. And was long tenured in Houston. Not really like he's been tossed around like crazy

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                        • Originally posted by bashful View Post
                          Yes you are he was not calling the plays in the last two superbowl wins when we had to go to a hurry up offense.. You sound like the troll the best oc in league. Stats are for sports writers and fans.
                          How many times has he been fired, hit in the head. TC is his only hope for work. If he were let go he would not find a job unless it was a DIII school
                          If he got let go, he'd be an OC on another team next season.

                          Tell me this, during those two comeback wins, whose plays was Eli calling in the no huddle? Oh yeah, Gilbride's. Who installs the 2 minute drill with Eli every week and goes over possible play calls vs. expected defenses? Oh yeah, that'd be Gilbride again.

                          Just about every OC gets fired at some point in their careers.

                          Only morons bring up Ryan punching Gilbride thinking that it says something more about Gilbride than it does Ryan.

                          So, again, if you are looking at track record, Gilbride has a track record of running highly successful offenses for nigh 30 years in the NFL and has been the OC of not one, but two Super Bowl winning teams.

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                          • Originally posted by ELIte4MVP View Post
                            He's coached six teams in almost 20 years. And was long tenured in Houston. Not really like he's been tossed around like crazy
                            Actually, it's only 5. He was the HC in SD.

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                            • Maybe he just doesn't interview well. Lots of reasons why.

                              Look at Fassell -- guy took his team to 1 SB and while he lost, I'm shocked that he hasn't gotten another opportunity even as an OC. THAT'S crazy. Meanwhile the Chan Gailey's and Eric Mangini's of the world get multiple chances.

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                              • It's ok to be frustrated with gilbride at times. But if you were to fire him, there are only a few ocs who'd have the POTENTIAL to be better, and many of them are not available. Couple that with the fact that the risk is not worth the reward, and that's why he's still here. Plus the fact it'll take the offense almost a full season to learn a new offense, on top of any personnel changes on offense that may occur

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