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  • #46
    Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
    I'd welcome him with open arms over Gilbride
    It seems you'd welcome a wet fart over KG.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Drez View Post
      Locklear had been struggling the couple weeks before Diehl came back, too.

      The Washington game... We ran the ball for 95 or 96 yards in the first half. We were 3/13 on deep passes against Washington that game. The biggest problem in that game was the defense couldn't get off the field in the second half. Washington held the ball for 10 minutes in the 4Q alone. That was a significantly bigger problem in the game than was play calling. That and the penalties.
      So you wouldn't take struggling over being a complete liability? You're saying Locklear wasn't outperforming Diehl ten fold?
      "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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      • #48
        Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
        So you wouldn't take struggling over being a complete liability? You're saying Locklear wasn't outperforming Diehl ten fold?
        Not really. He was playing kinda poorly right as Diehl was getting back. Not saying that he would have played as poorly as Diehl, but I can see why the staff wanted to see what Diehl could do first. Mind you, I think this decision was more on TC than KG, as well.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Drez View Post
          It seems you'd welcome a wet fart over KG.
          No, because if you actually read anything I wrote you would see I've stated numerous times that Gilbride is a good to average OC and that I would welcome a better choice. Norv Turner would be that choice.

          People act like I say Gilbride is terrible. At times, yes his play calling is terrible but he's a decent OC.

          We just have too much talent to be so stagnant.
          "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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          • #50
            Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
            So you don't think we could do better than Gilbride?

            I see the same thing you and everyone else sees. And I know for certain that we've all went off on Gilbride in the past only to find out that it was Eli changing the plays based on his reads.

            So the bottom line is I don't know what part is Eli and what part is Gilbride that's not working.

            But to get back to my previous post, I'm simply asking you if you think Eli wants a new OC? Do you think he wants to learn a new system? I have a feeling Eli would have a hard time with a new system.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
              No, because if you actually read anything I wrote you would see I've stated numerous times that Gilbride is a good to average OC and that I would welcome a better choice. Norv Turner would be that choice.

              People act like I say Gilbride is terrible. At times, yes his play calling is terrible but he's a decent OC.

              We just have too much talent to be so stagnant.
              But, we didn't this year, or rather our talent didn't play up to their level. Our OL sucked. Our RBs were banged up all season and no receiver stepped up to fill Nicks' role or as a strong 3rd for most of the season. As much as I love Eli, his ball placement and decision making weren't as sharp this season as they were last.

              To me, the stagnation falls more on the feet of the 11 on the field than KG.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                I see the same thing you and everyone else sees. And I know for certain that we've all went off on Gilbride in the past only to find out that it was Eli changing the plays based on his reads.

                So the bottom line is I don't know what part is Eli and what part is Gilbride that's not working.

                But to get back to my previous post, I'm simply asking you if you think Eli wants a new OC? Do you think he wants to learn a new system? I have a feeling Eli would have a hard time with a new system.
                I think Eli would pick up a new system rather quickly; as it is we run one of the more complicated systems in the league. However, I don't think Eli would want to play under any OC that wouldn't give him full reign at the line.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
                  We just have too much talent to be so stagnant.
                  You are over rating the healthy talent. Mediocre OL and an injured Nicks does not qualify as "too much talent".

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                  • #54
                    Why can't be mix in a little of everything? Why does everything have to always be our receiver beating their man and making a tough circus catch?

                    It's OK to dink and dunk sometimes.


                    We rarely run a hot route, a wheel route, a slant, a screen with proper blocking...... everything is predicated on Eli Manning and "the big play". Nothing ever comes easy. When do you ever see us throw it outside and pick up an 8-10 yard gain? Our blocking is atrocious. The defense always flies to the football whenever we attempt to run one.

                    Why is it that our receivers ALWAYS have to beat their man and make a SPECTACULAR grab deep down the field in order to move the chains? Run, run, pass in the red zone when the run isn't working derails the offense in SO many ways. Why don't we ever dink and dunk to move the ball. Hynoski has good hands and is pretty agile to pick up ample yards after the catch. The Saints hardly ever run the ball, they utilize the short pass as their run game. The most annoying thing for a defense, the most obnoxious thing for a defense is to constantly allow short 4-5 yard completions in succession with no clue how to stop it. 1st down. Gee that was too easy.


                    If we mix in the short stuff with the deep ball, offenses will have to come closer to the box which will then open up the deep routes.
                    "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Roosevelt View Post
                      I see the same thing you and everyone else sees. And I know for certain that we've all went off on Gilbride in the past only to find out that it was Eli changing the plays based on his reads.

                      So the bottom line is I don't know what part is Eli and what part is Gilbride that's not working.

                      But to get back to my previous post, I'm simply asking you if you think Eli wants a new OC? Do you think he wants to learn a new system? I have a feeling Eli would have a hard time with a new system.
                      You do not give Eli nearly enough credit.

                      And no I do not give him too much credit.

                      Eli Manning is one of the smartest QB's in the NFL. Easily top 3 probably behind Peyton and Brady. H would flourish in a better offense where he could utilize the no huddle when deemed necessary, simpler routes and less predictable play calling...... ESPECIALLY in the red zone.
                      "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
                        When do you ever see us throw it outside and pick up an 8-10 yard gain?
                        I stopped reading your post after this sentence.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
                          Why can't be mix in a little of everything? Why does everything have to always be our receiver beating their man and making a tough circus catch?

                          It's OK to dink and dunk sometimes.


                          We rarely run a hot route, a wheel route, a slant, a screen with proper blocking...... everything is predicated on Eli Manning and "the big play". Nothing ever comes easy. When do you ever see us throw it outside and pick up an 8-10 yard gain? Our blocking is atrocious. The defense always flies to the football whenever we attempt to run one.

                          Why is it that our receivers ALWAYS have to beat their man and make a SPECTACULAR grab deep down the field in order to move the chains? Run, run, pass in the red zone when the run isn't working derails the offense in SO many ways. Why don't we ever dink and dunk to move the ball. Hynoski has good hands and is pretty agile to pick up ample yards after the catch. The Saints hardly ever run the ball, they utilize the short pass as their run game. The most annoying thing for a defense, the most obnoxious thing for a defense is to constantly allow short 4-5 yard completions in succession with no clue how to stop it. 1st down. Gee that was too easy.


                          If we mix in the short stuff with the deep ball, offenses will have to come closer to the box which will then open up the deep routes.
                          For one, we run hot routes all the time. The fact that you don't think we do makes me question how much you actually know about football.

                          And you are way over simplifying things and being hyperbolic at the same time.

                          You see what you want to see and disregard everything else.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Drez View Post
                            For one, we run hot routes all the time. The fact that you don't think we do makes me question how much you actually know about football.

                            And you are way over simplifying things and being hyperbolic at the same time.

                            You see what you want to see and disregard everything else.
                            People watch the game on Sunday, don't re-watch it, and just make generalized assessments off of lasting images in their head.

                            The hot route comment cracked me up.
                            My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                              I stopped reading your post after this sentence.
                              That's funny because GB does it all the time. And don't tell me we don't have the players to do just that.
                              "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                                I stopped reading your post after this sentence.
                                I only reluctantly kept reading after we never throw a hot route.

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