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  • So do we repair the nascar or make a new system?

    Tuck and Osi may or may not be with the team next year. They may be serviceable but they are no longer the heart of the defence. So the question is, if we have JPP, do we try to make a big free agent deal and stay focuses with the nascar, or do we move forward building some defence like our three safety package.

    I think the latter, Nascar needs 4 solid guys and we do not know what the entire DLine is going to look like next year, with canty etc. I think what we need to do is bring back all three rolle, phillips, brown, find someone to fill in for webster, and get one solid linebacker to solidify that unit. If we can lock in our coverage we should get a good deal of coverage sacks.

    So lets think like this Cornerback, Linebacker, who can we bring in?
    Just remember Kevin Love makes more money then OBJ, and OBJ also dunks better.

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    I have no idea what you are asking

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      repair. tuck and or kiwi will be the situational pass rusher. i prefer tuck, bc the way I see it; yes he can play the run very well and play the pass very well. It seems that physical restrictions are preventing him from doing both. case in point, vs Philly he played 26 snaps primarily vs the pass, and he had by far his best game.
      its up to PF how to use him bc hes equally as good vs the run. i just think physical limitations are hindering him. if kiwi starts, hes stout vs the run, and he also led the team in pressures one year. altho, i could easily see PF using Kiwi as the situational and Tuck as the starter and im afraid the results will be like this past year.
      if we can draft a jpp type DE, JR will do it imo and keep Kiwi as the hybrid to give the rookie some snaps. theres alot of ways to fix this imo
      Last edited by giantsfan420; 01-02-2013, 01:31 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        I have no idea what you are asking
        hes asking if we should repair our nascar scheme, if its repairable, or to move more towards a coverage scheme with the focus being on the back end, presumably getting as many quality corners bc he mentions the guys we'd keep...am I close OP?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
          repair. tuck and or kiwi will be the situational pass rusher. i prefer tuck, bc the way I see it; yes he can play the run very well and play the pass very well. It seems that physical restrictions are preventing him from doing both. case in point, vs Philly he played 26 snaps primarily vs the pass, and he had by far his best game.
          its up to PF how to use him bc hes equally as good vs the run. i just think physical limitations are hindering him. if kiwi starts, hes stout vs the run, and he also led the team in pressures one year. altho, i could easily see PF using Kiwi as the situational and Tuck as the starter and im afraid the results will be like this past year.
          if we can draft a jpp type DE, JR will do it imo and keep Kiwi as the hybrid to give the rookie some snaps. theres alot of ways to fix this imo
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          altho i cant see JR passing on a DE that can be a bookend freak along with JPP and having strength in numbers like the WR core.

          i know we all think our team sucks, but really, we're a RT and G or C away on offense as is (when nicks is healthy). On D, we're a DL that assaults an OL away. Hosely can overtake Webster or we give Webster one more shot. or we can draft a corner. JR doesnt have as many holes as believed around here.

          If JR can hit on a money DE in the draft, the entire D is better. If JR can hit on money OL in the offseason, the O is better...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            hes asking if we should repair our nascar scheme, if its repairable, or to move more towards a coverage scheme with the focus being on the back end, presumably getting as many quality corners bc he mentions the guys we'd keep...am I close OP?
            yes. That is it. Essentially we lived for years off a potent 4 man rush. With the state of the current starters it may be hard to build a dominant unit like that again. So is it time to move on?
            Just remember Kevin Love makes more money then OBJ, and OBJ also dunks better.

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            • #7
              i think with JPP, we can rebuild it. having that freak is step 1, ala Strahan. It took forever to get our DL to this level too dont forget, like 17 yrs for Strahan man I hope thats wrong. But I think JR thinks lol he can get 1 more year out of Tuck. Kiwi is a nice luxury. Theoretically, JR hits on 2 DE's this draft, the DL is back and better than ever. We need to replace Osi, who hadnt given us much since 2010, not to the level it cant be replaced at least. IF tucks used right, as a situational pass rusher, imo he can be extremely effective. Hes too broke down to do both, the run and pass, well consistently.
              But I can see the argument, we got JPP and Tuck, maybe 1 DE, the rest in LB and secondary and worry more bout coverage personnel. we'll see itll be interesting.

              imo, we'll go trying to repackage the nascar/pressure scheme

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              • #8
                Bring in Bennett to play with his brother. Quality starter across the line from JPP. Bring Tuck in situationally and move Kiwi down from LB. We are one quality DE away from having a successful NascarPackage again IMO.

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                • #9
                  I agree, its got to be quality tho, like as good as possible. Don't know if Bennett is that. He'd be a nice addition, but don't know if he'd solve the pass rushing difficulties.

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                  • #10
                    There is really only one team that has a dominant defense without a very good pass rush, and thats the Jets.

                    And its a lot easier to find more pass rushers than it is to find a Revis.

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                    • #11
                      thats true. itd be sweet if prince can take another step in his game...i still hold out hope, he did display at times the tools needed to be shut down. would u agree with that?

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                      • #12
                        Nascar wont work with our current defensive backfield.

                        We have no corners capable of stopping quick set throws that everyone uses against us when we put the nascar in the game. This year we got owned by the 3 step drop/ shotgun quick set.

                        We also have not had good coverage from our Lbs nor have they taken away passing lanes very well.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                          Nascar wont work with our current defensive backfield.

                          We have no corners capable of stopping quick set throws that everyone uses against us when we put the nascar in the game. This year we got owned by the 3 step drop/ shotgun quick set.

                          We also have not had good coverage from our Lbs nor have they taken away passing lanes very well.
                          thats valid but I think Prince and Hosely can do the job. it wasnt that we didnt have a corner capable, it was that webster wasnt capable and teams attacked him unmercilessly. Hosely showed very good mirror ability, he can be a solid starting corner and I think Prince displayed elements of shut down corner level. The DL just has to do something, they cant do nothing and expect positive results.

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                          • #14
                            given that our new #1 competition in the division is washington, and their entire offense is built on negating a passrush, this would be a good time to shift the 95% emphasis from passrush to a more balanced approach to our defense.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
                              given that our new #1 competition in the division is washington, and their entire offense is built on negating a passrush, this would be a good time to shift the 95% emphasis from passrush to a more balanced approach to our defense.
                              Its not just the pass rush u dont think an elite DE can help against the Redskins

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