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  • #31
    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Nah, if you take the cap hit in to account, cutting Boley and Webster would only free up around $1 million... Not worth it.
    There is no way that this is accurate. They are both in the last years of their contract and that would mean that nearly their entire contract was guaranteed. When a player is cut his dead money from future years (2014 and beyond) goes on the books for that season (2013). Since neither one is under contract for 2014 and their salaries aren't guaranteed for 2013 cutting them saves their entire salary. 7m for webster and 4.25m for Boley.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BlueBlooded1979 View Post
      There is no way that this is accurate. They are both in the last years of their contract and that would mean that nearly their entire contract was guaranteed. When a player is cut his dead money from future years (2014 and beyond) goes on the books for that season (2013). Since neither one is under contract for 2014 and their salaries aren't guaranteed for 2013 cutting them saves their entire salary. 7m for webster and 4.25m for Boley.
      There you go! thanks for explaining that, wasn't aware of how that worked. Now with that money we can use it to re sign players we really need that are on the team already. I think we can fill some holes via the draft, Reese and company have proven they can draft players that are ready to play and contribute once the season begins. Ex: JPP, OSI, Nicks, Barden, Manningham etc.....

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      • #33
        We need to get a few bodies at DT and OT, and take care of most our guys.
        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          Not necessarily, it all depends on who they release. We've not been a big free agency acquisition team for decades.
          Not precisely true ... Reese will go out and get that one "bigger" piece.

          Canty, Boley, Rolle and Baas are examples. Generally speaking he picks up one higher priced FA per season. Our cap being what it is though, will probably mitigate what we do this year (much like it did last off-season).
          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
            Nah, if you take the cap hit in to account, cutting Boley and Webster would only free up around $1 million... Not worth it.
            If we cut both Boley and Webster, that would clear up $11.25 million against our 2013 cap.
            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
              Not precisely true ... Reese will go out and get that one "bigger" piece.

              Canty, Boley, Rolle and Baas are examples. Generally speaking he picks up one higher priced FA per season. Our cap being what it is though, will probably mitigate what we do this year (much like it did last off-season).
              When I say "big" I mean multiples. He will bring a relatively few people in but not like the Eagles do
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                If we cut both Boley and Webster, that would clear up $11.25 million against our 2013 cap.
                does it clear it up, or is there a cap hit? Can't see Webster getting cut, though; restructured, yes.
                My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  When I say "big" I mean multiples. He will bring a relatively few people in but not like the Eagles do
                  Oh yeah, that was just insane (and gratifyingly, didn't work out too well for them).
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                    does it clear it up, or is there a cap hit? Can't see Webster getting cut, though; restructured, yes.
                    That's what's cleared off their base salaries.

                    The cap hit involved is workout bonus (depending when you cut them) and signing bonus (including restructured payments). I believe in the past you had to pay the outstanding signing bonus the year you cut the player (the "guaranteed" money) but under the new CBA, it can continue to be spread out over the original life of the contract. Since both of their contracts are up next year anyway, the cap hit in 2013 isn't too bad (about 1.4 for Boley and 3 for Webster).
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      Oh yeah, that was just insane (and gratifyingly, didn't work out too well for them).
                      It makes no sesne, to me, to go out and get a bunch of high priced help who can't play as a team.

                      The Jets with Tebow is another WTF.
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                        That's what's cleared off their base salaries.The cap hit involved is workout bonus (depending when you cut them) and signing bonus (including restructured payments). I believe in the past you had to pay the outstanding signing bonus the year you cut the player (the "guaranteed" money) but under the new CBA, it can continue to be spread out over the original life of the contract. Since both of their contracts are up next year anyway, the cap hit in 2013 isn't too bad (about 1.4 for Boley and 3 for Webster).
                        Boley's gone.
                        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                          Boley's gone.
                          I honestly don't know where they rank their players coming out of this year.

                          Both Boley and Webster underperformed but replacing them with equivalent talent (or what you hope would have been equivalent for their 2011 season) would cost more then we'd save. And I don't think we have the home grown talent to replace Boley. We could possibly replace CWeb if you're comfortable going into 2013 with Prince and Hosely as your starters and a bunch of really young depth.

                          I could see the Giants standing pat on both players for 2013.
                          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                          • #43
                            And let's keep in mind, the JPP contract extension on the horizon which is going to be GINORMOUS. If he has a good year next year he's gonna want Demarcus Ware money, and the Giants won't have much of a choice but to pay him.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                              I honestly don't know where they rank their players coming out of this year.

                              Both Boley and Webster underperformed but replacing them with equivalent talent (or what you hope would have been equivalent for their 2011 season) would cost more then we'd save. And I don't think we have the home grown talent to replace Boley. We could possibly replace CWeb if you're comfortable going into 2013 with Prince and Hosely as your starters and a bunch of really young depth.

                              I could see the Giants standing pat on both players for 2013.
                              My bet is Webster stays and Boley goes. Every linebacker on the team played more snaps than Boley last two games.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                                I honestly don't know where they rank their players coming out of this year.

                                Both Boley and Webster underperformed but replacing them with equivalent talent (or what you hope would have been equivalent for their 2011 season) would cost more then we'd save. And I don't think we have the home grown talent to replace Boley. We could possibly replace CWeb if you're comfortable going into 2013 with Prince and Hosely as your starters and a bunch of really young depth.

                                I could see the Giants standing pat on both players for 2013.
                                I can't see Webster going. Reese over-emphasized an "evaluation process" on every player on the roster. I think what's gonna be clear as he sits down with Coughlin is gonna be that Boley was phased out of the defense towards the end of the season.

                                As for Webster, just hearing Reese touch on that during his press conference, his preliminary take on Webster's season (namely the Baltimore game) was that he just had a bad game, and that's expected from corners every now and then. Webster had a rough season, but I don't feel comfortable going into next year with Prince Amukamara (injury concerns), and Jayron Hosley (possible injury concerns, and still young as it is) as the two starting CBs. I can't imagine Reese does either.

                                And anyway, in this league you need at least three starting corners. Webster is still starting caliber, and he'll most likely be back; I only wonder at what cost, though.
                                My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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