It's time to turn Eli loose

[bashful]

This offense needs a stick of dynamite. Eli needs to be in control just like his brother and not be held back by an unimaginative OC and a conservative HC. He has shown numerous times that when he is in control and has the ability to call the plays he can move this team. Instead he never gets into a rhythm unless the troll is out in front.
He is a master of the game - he has the roots and the ability but is not given enough freedom. Mistakes will be made but the upside and win percentage will be vastly improved. No second half let down. He has forgotten more than KG knows and he as the ability to make adjustments something we have not seen.

I don't believe he likes KG but is all about team and would never say a bad word. It is time to have more of an up tempo office and not one that plays not to lose.

[mike kennedy]

This offense needs a stick of dynamite. Eli needs to be in control just like his brother and not be held back by an unimaginative OC and a conservative HC. He has shown numerous times that when he is in control and has the ability to call the plays he can move this team. Instead he never gets into a rhythm unless the troll is out in front.
He is a master of the game - he has the roots and the ability but is not given enough freedom. Mistakes will be made but the upside and win percentage will be vastly improved. No second half let down. He has forgotten more than KG knows and he as the ability to make adjustments something we have not seen.

I don't believe he likes KG but is all about team and would never say a bad word. It is time to have more of an up tempo office and not one that plays not to lose.

It will never happen with T.C.'s left hand man, Gilbrilliant on the sidelines. This is weird for a coach who believes in Eli but will not give him free reign.

[Medisleman]

WTF is this thread?

[dave56dj]

Well you called him unimaginative and said he is conservative which is far from true.

Did you ever think Eli had a down year compared to 11 because he was missing his number one weapon in Hakeem Nicks?

My point is gilbride who runs Coughlins offense is far from conservative. Hell the offesne predicates itself on the deep ball and intermediate route. They don't run trick plays cause they can beat you straight up and dont have the hybrid qb for some of them, and also TOP TEN offenses dont need many tricks to beat you. The stats dont lie - he has done a fine job.

[bashful]

Do people think when Eli calls the 2 minute drill he writes plays in the sand - PEOPLE he calls Gilbrides offense based on the box he see's. Its not different then the audibles or checks he makes at the line when huddling only he is pulling the trigger faster - so you like eli in the 2 minute drill - Guess what same Gilbride plays - SO YOU LIKE GILBRIDE.

As for TC or Gilrbride being conservative - dead wrong. Their offense is predicated on the intermediate to deep route. Unlike the west coast offense they are looking for the deep ball often. Now you may not like the lack of trick plays but the theory is those plays are for lesser teams who cannot beat you straight up or for personnel reason (see the jets for former and niners for latter).

No one said the plays were bad, it is the play calling. There is a difference.

[Hooligans]

This offense needs a stick of dynamite. Eli needs to be in control just like his brother and not be held back by an unimaginative OC and a conservative HC. He has shown numerous times that when he is in control and has the ability to call the plays he can move this team. Instead he never gets into a rhythm unless the troll is out in front.
He is a master of the game - he has the roots and the ability but is not given enough freedom. Mistakes will be made but the upside and win percentage will be vastly improved. No second half let down. He has forgotten more than KG knows and he as the ability to make adjustments something we have not seen.

I don't believe he likes KG but is all about team and would never say a bad word. It is time to have more of an up tempo office and not one that plays not to lose.

Eli is nowhere as good as Peyton.....turning "Eli Loose", would ensure a terrible season and a top 10 draft choice in 2014.

[Flip Empty]

Inb4 15 pages.

[giantsfan420]

Eli had some time in the playoffs last year and the beginning of this year. Peyton gets protection up front throughout his career and only won one SB. Brady same thing and hasn't won in almost a decade. These guys get exposed with a pass rush. I can gaurantee these 2 guys would not have made it through the 49er game without a handful of picks.

Brady with no time got demolished by the Ravens in 09 or 10. I saw that game, it was like watching David Carr in his early years. Lost and confused. Then when you see Eli vs. the 49ers, same situation, no protection and still won the game.

while i def. think its fair to say eli performs better under pressure, those two perform better in clean pockets. thats not to say eli isnt amazing with a clean pocket, its just brady and peyton r the best in the biz from that aspect

[EliDaMANning]

U think its possible that Peyton is just better than Eli . A lot of posters on this board seem to have the belief that Eli gets a play given to him and he runs it but that couldnt be further from the truth. They say the Giants offense is unimaginative yet the play can develop in a variety of ways depending on how the defense is aligned. I bet to u the Redskins offense is more imaginative yet its based on very simple concepts

Eli had some time in the playoffs last year and the beginning of this year. Peyton gets protection up front throughout his career and only won one SB. Brady same thing and hasn't won in almost a decade. These guys get exposed with a pass rush. I can gaurantee these 2 guys would not have made it through the 49er game without a handful of picks.

Brady with no time got demolished by the Ravens in 09 or 10. I saw that game, it was like watching David Carr in his early years. Lost and confused. Then when you see Eli vs. the 49ers, same situation, no protection and still won the game.

[AllHailEli]

we actually need to get rid of Eli. sorry but hes been mediocre for way too long. yeah he won 2 superbowls but a great defense helped him.

I heard the Jets is looking for a franchise QB and would like to win a Super Bowl or two.

[Redeyejedi]

This offense needs a stick of dynamite. Eli needs to be in control just like his brother and not be held back by an unimaginative OC and a conservative HC. He has shown numerous times that when he is in control and has the ability to call the plays he can move this team. Instead he never gets into a rhythm unless the troll is out in front.
He is a master of the game - he has the roots and the ability but is not given enough freedom. Mistakes will be made but the upside and win percentage will be vastly improved. No second half let down. He has forgotten more than KG knows and he as the ability to make adjustments something we have not seen.

I don't believe he likes KG but is all about team and would never say a bad word. It is time to have more of an up tempo office and not one that plays not to lose.

U think its possible that Peyton is just better than Eli . A lot of posters on this board seem to have the belief that Eli gets a play given to him and he runs it but that couldnt be further from the truth. They say the Giants offense is unimaginative yet the play can develop in a variety of ways depending on how the defense is aligned. I bet to u the Redskins offense is more imaginative yet its based on very simple concepts

[ryan12]

we actually need to get rid of Eli. sorry but hes been mediocre for way too long. yeah he won 2 superbowls but a great defense helped him.

you sir are funny

[flashnando]

we actually need to get rid of Eli. sorry but hes been mediocre for way too long. yeah he won 2 superbowls but a great defense helped him.

I'm so glad that some of you did not end up in the Giant or any NFL teams front office. Cut Eli? REALLY! whats next? you would cut Brady because he lost to the Giants and Eli twice in the superbowl? SMH

[DarkSaint]

i agree. i made a post somewhere on the MB about how its still on KG when we arent getting the protection for eli, that he fails to make any sort of positive adjustments. we either are getting the time from the OL, or we're not. no other concepts, at least that stand out to me Im sure someone has more knowledge on the topic.
I was really critical on KG during the season but looking back, i may have been acting in response to the difficulties too harshly. we did have personnel issues. if we can give eli a monster OL like Brady gets or his bro gets, i just cant see this offense getting shut down let alone out. but kg still does have his flaws that drive me crazy, just i am confident this offense CAN work. if we dont address the OL at all in the offseason, ill be really worried.

Yeah, Eli did throw close to 5000 yards with this guy, the cincy game was a perfect example though of his incompetence. They were bringing in pressure and we basically put nothing together except for the drive before the half. I don't know why Killdrive didn't see that and use it to make adjustments. If we get better system, healthy WRs corp and a couple of players to make our OL stronger, we will have a unstoppable offense.

[giantsfan420]

True, when the OL blocks well, it allows eli enough time complete those plays that take forever to develop and have it also gives our WRs enough time to create separation. But, how about when he doesn't have the time, our OC doesn't know how to use the talent around him to benefit our team. We can build our OL but against elite defenses, with high quality rushers via blitz or DL, we will still struggle. We have to improve our OL and our gameplan/play calling. Killdrive doesn't believe in adjustments unless our backs are truly against the wall, last game, need some help getting in.
The 1st 15 games when in the redzone we were guaranteed to see run for a loss, run for a yard, corner fade, FG. In the final game against the eagles, we did a play-action for a td, that's like unheard of because it actually worked. Unless the OC decides to learn some new tricks simplify the game plan, make it easier for the guys to run their routes, i mean why does it take a year for rookie wrs to pickup our offense? Other rookies are ready to go day one. We need to modify our system. Brees didn't become a 70% completion qb until he got into payton's system. Our QB completed 62% with constant pressure and a complex system. We have the players, no imagine, a better Oline and an easier system? I wouldn't mind keeping Killdrive if he decides to make adjustments.

i agree. i made a post somewhere on the MB about how its still on KG when we arent getting the protection for eli, that he fails to make any sort of positive adjustments. we either are getting the time from the OL, or we're not. no other concepts, at least that stand out to me Im sure someone has more knowledge on the topic.
I was really critical on KG during the season but looking back, i may have been acting in response to the difficulties too harshly. we did have personnel issues. if we can give eli a monster OL like Brady gets or his bro gets, i just cant see this offense getting shut down let alone out. but kg still does have his flaws that drive me crazy, just i am confident this offense CAN work. if we dont address the OL at all in the offseason, ill be really worried.