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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Well he wasn't going for 1500 yards. To think that was going to happen would be silly.
    What this season proved is that he's not a one year wonder. He's a solid, high quality player who can perform even if he has to be the #1 guy, with Nicks out so much.
    No sir....this season enhanced his value. It did nothing to hurt it.

    I agree this season proved that he's not a one year wonder. Perhaps I was being too generous by assuming at the outset that he wasn't one and that he would remain at the levels of last year. If your point is that this year combined with last establishes and reinforces his range, that's fair. But he did go from top 10 (top 5/6 in some) to top 15/20 in some meaningful categories.

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    • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
      +1 ..The things people say sometimes.... if victor cruz doesnt have speed then i dont know what speed is..

      Yup. The guy is crazy good AND crazy durable. Remember some of the shots he took this season?

      A deal will get done. The Giants need him and he wants to stay.

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      • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
        We will only offer so much because of our depth (Randle) and the fact we can't tie too much into one position outside of QB. Considering what Nicks did in the 2011 playoffs and if he rebounds in 2013 with a 1k yard plus season, his agent is going to expect huge money that the Giants won't be able to match. I'm just arguing that the odds are we will see Nicks in a different uniform after 2013 but I hope I'm wrong.
        That's the whole problem. He's worth a lot but at the same time he isn't lol.
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
          Interesting. He probably would be gone if he's demanding that much money. If that is the case, Randle should step in. The thing is, Randle was brought in to replace Manningham, not Nicks.
          Again, I don't think you spend a 2nd rounder on a guy to play 3rd or 4th reciever like MM. The Giants tend to get their skill position players later in the draft (Jacobs, Bradshaw) or not in the draft at all (Cruz). They grabbed Nicks in the first to be a #1. They grabbed Randle in the 2nd to eventually be a #1.

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          • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            i agree. if anything, i think hes proven beyond a doubt, that the way he achieves his success is something he can sustain for a long time...he wont suddenly lose the ability at the styles he runs his routes, its not a speed type trait. thats why i said he reminds me of rice. rice was able to get open soley by how he ran his routes, which is so rare. cruz gets WIDE OPEN solely on how he runs his route physically...


            edit- and thats from an individual skill set perspective. im not discussing how scheme is relevant in the above post. scheme and other factors play a big part too.
            He reminds me of Steve Smith (the good one)
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
              Interesting. He probably would be gone if he's demanding that much money. If that is the case, Randle should step in. The thing is, Randle was brought in to replace Manningham, not Nicks.
              Depends on how you look at it. More than half the league has an elite/very good receiver. About 7-10 teams have two good receivers. What we had in 2011 with Nicks, Cruz, and MM was a HUUUUUUGGGGEEE luxury. It's just not something you can expect to sustain for a long period of time. Same scenario when we had Strahan, Osi, and Tuck. In those regards, we've been spoiled and at some point, we'll have to look to replace that productivity elsewhere.

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              • Originally posted by Sarcasman View Post
                I agree this season proved that he's not a one year wonder. Perhaps I was being too generous by assuming at the outset that he wasn't one and that he would remain at the levels of last year. If your point is that this year combined with last establishes and reinforces his range, that's fair. But he did go from top 10 (top 5/6 in some) to top 15/20 in some meaningful categories.
                I know what you mean. Cruz IS inconsistent. Great WR, elite IMO but inconsistent.
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                  Interesting. He probably would be gone if he's demanding that much money. If that is the case, Randle should step in. The thing is, Randle was brought in to replace Manningham, not Nicks.
                  but that doesnt mean we wouldnt want him to be able to replace Nicks. i agree, i think that was part of the reasoning we had him rated as high as we did. remember, they were saying he was a serious option IN THE FIRST round...we were so lucky to get him in the 2nd. but remember all the Ross, JR comparisons made about randle to nicks? he was brought here to replace MM schematically, bc we have Nicks already. if he can give us what nicks can, of course thatll be huge imo in keeping nicks.

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                  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                    Having 4 to 5 accounts is funnier than what you said.
                    fixed
                    Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                    ~Big Mike~

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                    • Originally posted by Riverboat76 View Post
                      Again, I don't think you spend a 2nd rounder on a guy to play 3rd or 4th reciever like MM. The Giants tend to get their skill position players later in the draft (Jacobs, Bradshaw) or not in the draft at all (Cruz). They grabbed Nicks in the first to be a #1. They grabbed Randle in the 2nd to eventually be a #1.
                      But is he ready to be number 1 is the question.
                      Mood: WOOF!

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                      • People, you don't have money to spend on 4 good recievers. The Giants are not going to spend big on Cruz and Nicks and eventually Randle. Not enough room. Somebody will go. Probably the guy who is hurt alot (if he asks for too much money, that is).

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                        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                          That's the whole problem. He's worth a lot but at the same time he isn't lol.
                          Exactly and his agent will overvalue him while pointing to that 2011 playoff run and comparing him to Fitz. We're not going to match that if Cruz gets a longterm deal and Randle develops.

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                          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                            I know what you mean. Cruz IS inconsistent. Great WR, elite IMO but inconsistent.

                            Don't steal my thunder! I'm prepping the "is he elite?" thread now.....I'm shooting for 100 pages

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                            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                              But is he ready to be number 1 is the question.
                              Who knows? But I assume they drafted this guy in the 2nd because Reese really liked him. Lets remember: Nicks wasn't Nicks until he became Nicks. Does that make sense?

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                              • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                                but that doesnt mean we wouldnt want him to be able to replace Nicks. i agree, i think that was part of the reasoning we had him rated as high as we did. remember, they were saying he was a serious option IN THE FIRST round...we were so lucky to get him in the 2nd. but remember all the Ross, JR comparisons made about randle to nicks? he was brought here to replace MM schematically, bc we have Nicks already. if he can give us what nicks can, of course thatll be huge imo in keeping nicks.
                                That is a very huge if lol.
                                Mood: WOOF!

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