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  • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
    this number 1 and 2 and 3 reciever is what fans like to label. coaches dont really do that. cruz will get money either from us or another team
    I think the distinction is that a No. 1 WR will get frequent double coverage, and he's expected to still beat that coverage. Nicks beats that coverage when healthy, as Cruz did not when Nicks was playing as the walking wounded. When Rueben Randle was owning the Eagles, they had to take the focus off Cruz, and just like that he showed up again and caught a touchdown. To me, Cruz can't be the big dog, he's got to have someone else who's also a real deep threat to get him into situations where he's effective. For that reason, I dont believe the Giants will offer him top WR money; which may lead to his departure. The fans won't like it; but that's the reality we have to live with.

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    • We do it to Osi without even looking at all the factors. I think fans try their best to be neutral and logical when it comes to these conversations, but fall short of that because they are! Fans.

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      • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        Are you saying he was targeted 172 times?
        143 times. Cruz did have a rather low catch rate, obviously his YAC dropped quite a bit as well.

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        • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
          143 times. Cruz did have a rather low catch rate, obviously his YAC dropped quite a bit as well.
          And yet be broke 1,000 yards. Luck?
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
            this number 1 and 2 and 3 reciever is what fans like to label. coaches dont really do that. cruz will get money either from us or another team
            There is clearly a X,Y, and Z receiver.
            Fans translate that to 1,2 and 3 to say Cruz can play all three receiver positions at a high level is a little inaccurate, he thrives in space, he uses speed and shiftiness to beat defenders. He is not a physical receiver like Nick's, he's not going to go up in traffic and risk his body for catch, he is not going to always out muscle that defender jamming him on the line or brace for a hard hit while still running for the extra yards. At least not from what i have seen. He is still a great receiver and manningham should not be even mentioned in this debate; all speed no route separation tactics. I just think that money is a little steep in a cap season with all the free agents we have.
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            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              And yet be broke 1,000 yards. Luck?
              I'm just stating facts, there was no opinion in my post.

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              • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                143 times. Cruz did have a rather low catch rate, obviously his YAC dropped quite a bit as well.
                When he does catch he drops to the ground a lot...like I said...hes a good reciever but he isnt great.

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                • Originally posted by ShakeandBake View Post
                  Eli is talked about most because he is the quarterback, that is inevitably going to happen. Everyone deserves it this year, they all played like garbage. I don't see many people giving Cruz a free pass, but if someone dares to criticize Eli their fanhood is questioned which I don't see happening when other players are being criticized.
                  am i at the wrong site or something? cuz what ive seen is someone dares to stand up for eli and their fanhoods questioned, at least as much as the counter example. "your a fan of eli. your not a fan of the nyg" but I digress...i think that for the most part this threads been very fair. now i havent been in the discussion for pages, but it seemed to me like most of us are torn. we desperately want cruz back, but also realize the consequences of overpaying.

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                  • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                    I'm just stating facts, there was no opinion in my post.
                    I know, I'm just wondering how he has back to back 1,000 yard seasons if he "doesn't catch half" of the balls thrown to him" and "drops to the ground a lot" when he does catch them.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • Originally posted by I Hate T.O. View Post
                      When he does catch he drops to the ground a lot...like I said...hes a good reciever but he isnt great.
                      Does he think he's great? if he does he will be asking for big money.

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                      • Originally posted by I Hate T.O. View Post
                        When he does catch he drops to the ground a lot...like I said...hes a good reciever but he isnt great.
                        id say hes a great wr and its not even difficult. ive seen him give himself up only when it was the correct thing to do. hes thinking YAC and TD every time he gets the ball in his hands, but has the wisdom to see when the risk is too high and a fumble is just as likely if not more than a td.

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                        • bottom line; can we replace cruzs production? can we attain the same end result numbers, whether by 1 or a collection of players? thats the question here. I dont think we can. But, I also never thought we'd replace ss12. two different players/situations tho. cruz is healthy, and he was the one who replaced ss12. i think JR will see it this way and give him a long term deal worth 6 mil and a signing bonus that brings the yearly net worth to 8 mil, jmho

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                          • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                            I know, I'm just wondering how he has back to back 1,000 yard seasons if he "doesn't catch half" of the balls thrown to him" and "drops to the ground a lot" when he does catch them.
                            Well he certainly caught more than 50% of his targets.

                            I've no issue with him dropping to the ground, better that than getting lit up. Peyton Manning often sacks himself - no-one complains about that. It's self preservation.

                            Personally, I wouldn't want to see the offense without Cruz.

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                            • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                              Well he certainly caught more than 50% of his targets.

                              I've no issue with him dropping to the ground, better that than getting lit up. Peyton Manning often sacks himself - no-one complains about that. It's self preservation.

                              Personally, I wouldn't want to see the offense without Cruz.
                              Fortunately, Reese isn't checking in here for advice
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                Fortunately, Reese isn't checking in here for advice

                                I think the Super Bowls win pretty much prove that!

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