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  • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    for instance, suppose the giants FO works out ss12, deem him 100% healthy, get him on a 2 yr deal at 2 mil, how does that hypothetical change our feelings on cruz?
    Steve Smith can't play anymore. He's had two years in get healthy. Its too bad but its true. He was smart to get the money from Philly.

    And we will not lose Cruz.
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      Steve Smith can't play anymore.
      He's the prototypical slot receiver in our system. I don't think it's his knee that's holding him back.
      My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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      • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
        lets just throw this situation out there; cruz signs elsewhere, but we gain a 1rst and a 3rd draft pick, and have more room in the cap to get a top notch RT or G/C...then how does everyone feel? from a completely economical stand point, seeing as we got a SB already, and got the production we did for around 1 mil both years (lmao how JR pulled that off is beyond me, talk about lucking out on an UDFA rookie). You sell him high, ie the 1rst and 3rd round pcks, then use one of those spots to address his loss. then u have an additional quality pick and the money u would have spent on him, can now be used on a FA...

        its not an easy decision. im with the majority here in wanting him back. but the other scenario isnt exactly terrible.
        In the scenario we lose Cruz and gain a 2013 1st and 3rd rounder, we would be wise to trade our selections for future 2014 draft picks so we can acquire Jadeveon Clowney. It would be the end of JPP double teams since Clowney will easily win 1v1s against most tackles in football today.

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        • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
          He's the prototypical slot receiver in our system. I don't think it's his knee that's holding him back.
          We have a great slot WR already. His name is Victor Cruz.
          And you guys gotta let go of Steve Smith. First of all you can't go back. Secondly he can't play anymore.
          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            We have a great slot WR already. His name is Victor Cruz.
            And you guys gotta let go of Steve Smith. First of all you can't go back. Secondly he can't play anymore.
            I'm just saying, I don't think his knee is holding him back, and he is a proven stud in our offensive scheme. I'd rather have him than Barden.
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            • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
              In the scenario we lose Cruz and gain a 2013 1st and 3rd rounder, we would be wise to trade our selections for future 2014 draft picks so we can acquire Jadeveon Clowney. It would be the end of JPP double teams since Clowney will easily win 1v1s against most tackles in football today.
              Patriots will do it before we can even get a plan together.
              My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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              • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                I'm just saying, I don't think his knee is holding him back, and he is a proven stud in our offensive scheme. I'd rather have him than Barden.
                I'm sure his knee is exactly what's holding him back. If he was a viable target in St. Louis this season he would have been productive with that QB.
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                • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                  Patriots will do it before we can even get a plan together.
                  Patriots acquire the 2014 #1 overall selection for a 2014 5th, Donte Stallworth, and free clam chowder for life.

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    I don't want to sound like Claude Rains...but I would be shocked....SHOCKED to see Victor Cruz in any other uniform than Giants blue next season.

                    Don't fret Giants fans...he'll be a Giant.
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    Don't forget he's a restricted FA. We have a lot of leverage with him. I would be surprised if my numbers were far off.
                    This^
                    The Giants are not letting Victor get away. They will do whatever needed to make sure he remains a Giant. Also let's not forget that Cruz wants to stay with the Giants and has said that many times.

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      I'm sure his knee is exactly what's holding him back. If he was a viable target in St. Louis this season he would have been productive with that QB.
                      Really? The 18th ranked pass offense where no receiver topped 700 yards. I'm not defending his play, but that was far from a potent passing attack.

                      And again, Smith fits best in Gilbride's scheme. You're basing nothing off of the knee, just the circumstances (bad passing offense, average QB) he finds himself in.
                      My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                      • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                        Patriots acquire the 2014 #1 overall selection for a 2014 5th, Donte Stallworth, and free clam chowder for life.
                        And just when we think they'll take Clowney, they trade back for a first in the next three years, and seven SB titles.
                        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                        • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                          Really? The 18th ranked pass offense where no receiver topped 700 yards. I'm not defending his play, but that was far from a potent passing attack.

                          And again, Smith fits best in Gilbride's scheme. You're basing nothing off of the knee, and the circumstances (bad passing offense, average QB) he finds himself in.
                          He had like 14 catches. He's all done. As I said..its sad, but its just the way it is. The kid can't be productive anymore. I doubt he'll even be invited to a camp next year and you want him to be Victor Cruz's replacement.
                          C'mon...

                          And BTW...Wew were 12th. We averaged a whole 18 yards/game more. Not exactly a big difference.
                          Last edited by Morehead State; 01-06-2013, 10:34 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            and you want him to be Victor Cruz's replacement.
                            Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                            I'm just saying, I don't think his knee is holding him back, and he is a proven stud in our offensive scheme. I'd rather have him than Barden.
                            His skills in this offensive system would make him a valuable replacement if we don't resign Barden. Plus, you know he'd come cheap.
                            My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                            • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                              His skills in this offensive system would make him a valuable replacement if we don't resign Barden. Plus, you know he'd come cheap.
                              I don't get you. He doesn't have skills anymore. If he did, he would have been much more productive this season and last. I don't care what system he's in.

                              Its time to look forward...not backwards.
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                              • I don't see how you're not getting it, I'd rather take a flier on Smith who has excelled in Gilbride's system, which is almost as much mental as it is physical -- than resign Barden, who has proven he has no skills. Gilbride's system is partly what set Smith apart and made him special.

                                And other than point to a lack of production, what have you specifically seen from Smith that you've determined his knee is still bothering him?
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