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  • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
    I don't see how you're not getting it, I'd rather take a flier on Smith who has excelled in Gilbride's system, which is almost as much mental as it is physical -- than resign Barden, who has proven he has no skills. Gilbride's system is partly what set Smith apart and made him special.

    And other than point to a lack of production, what have you specifically seen from Smith that you've determined his knee is still bothering him?
    You don't let a great WR go in order to take a flier on a guy who had microfracture surgery and essentially hasn't produced a thing in 3 years.
    That's nuts!
    And this obsession you have that somehow a guy who can't play anymore, can magically perform in our system is also crazy. Its the friggin NFL. You have to beat athletic corners and safeties to get open. You can't do that on one leg. I don't care what system its in.
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      You don't let a great WR go in order to take a flier on a guy who had microfracture surgery and essentially hasn't produced a thing in 3 years.
      That's nuts!
      And this obsession you have that somehow a guy who can't play anymore, can magically perform in our system is also crazy. Its the friggin NFL. You have to beat athletic corners and safeties to get open. You can't do that on one leg. I don't care what system its in.
      Barden is a great receiver? Have you read anything I've written?

      And again, what is it that you've seen that shows his knee still being an issue? Marques Colston has had microfracture surgery in both knees, and is great in New Orleans' system.
      My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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      • Barden is a great receiver? We're going to need a citation for that one sir.

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        • Steve Smith has done nothing since injuring his knee.. nothing. NADA. That is a pretty good indication that he is not regained his pre-injury skill level.

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          • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
            Barden is a great receiver? Have you read anything I've written?

            And again, what is it that you've seen that shows his knee still being an issue? Marques Colston has had microfracture surgery in both knees, and is great in New Orleans' system.
            I'll have to look at my posts to see where I said that Barden was a great receiver.

            How many years did it take Colston to come back from his surgery? Oh yeah......None. He was back playing well after a few months. Steve Smith had his two + years ago and still can't play. At what point will you see that each injury is different and if a guy hasn't come back from surgery after 2 years, he's probably not coming back.
            But lets dump one of the best 2 or 3 slot WR's to take a "flier" on a guy who can't play anymore. Good idea....
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • Originally posted by BrianK01 View Post
              Steve Smith has done nothing since injuring his knee.. nothing. NADA. That is a pretty good indication that he is not regained his pre-injury skill level.
              No that's a pretty good indication that he struggled his first year back, like most do, and he was in a bad situation last year in a system that doesn't utilize his biggest strength -- his smarts and attention to detail. Here, he would have Eli, and Gilbride's system.

              I think it's reasonable to assume that he'd be able to top Barden's productivity, WHICH IS ALL I'M CALLING FOR.
              My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                I'll have to look at my posts to see where I said that Barden was a great receiver.
                Here:
                Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                You don't let a great WR go in order to take a flier on a guy who had microfracture surgery and essentially hasn't produced a thing in 3 years.
                Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                How many years did it take Colston to come back from his surgery? Oh yeah......None. He was back playing well after a few months.
                Colston also had the luxury of being in a familiar system which doesn't rely on him for physical talent, the same way Smith was here.
                My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                  Here:

                  Colston also had the luxury of being in a familiar system which doesn't rely on him for physical talent, the same way Smith was here.
                  I was talking about Victor Cruz.
                  What the hell!!! Who was ever talking about Barden?
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                    Here:

                    Colston also had the luxury of being in a familiar system which doesn't rely on him for physical talent, the same way Smith was here.
                    mh thinks your talking about Smith /Cruz...And you think mh is talking about Barden being a great rec something like that...lol.... get on the same page you two !!...very confusing.....

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      I was talking about Victor Cruz.
                      What the hell!!! Who was ever talking about Barden?
                      820 !

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                      • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                        No that's a pretty good indication that he struggled his first year back, like most do, and he was in a bad situation last year in a system that doesn't utilize his biggest strength -- his smarts and attention to detail. Here, he would have Eli, and Gilbride's system.

                        I think it's reasonable to assume that he'd be able to top Barden's productivity, WHICH IS ALL I'M CALLING FOR.
                        Don't even think of going there.
                        You're point was that we could bring in Steve Smith if Cruz went elswhere. You called him some kind of great natural slot guy.
                        Barden is irrelevant to this subject.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Originally posted by byron View Post
                          mh thinks your talking about Smith /Cruz...And you think mh is talking about Barden being a great rec something like that...lol.... get on the same page you two !!...very confusing.....
                          420 brought up Smith as a replacement for Cruz and 820 agreed with him.

                          Can't keep these friggin numbers straight (420, 820...Jeez Get real screen names for God's sake!)
                          Who's the one I crushed in the FF playoffs?....
                          Oh Yeah...That was 820.
                          Hahahahaha!!!!!!
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            Don't even think of going there.
                            You're point was that we could bring in Steve Smith if Cruz went elswhere. You called him some kind of great natural slot guy.
                            Barden is irrelevant to this subject.
                            From the start of the debate, I've been emphatic that I'd take Smith back over Barden, who's a FA this year.

                            Multiple times I've tried reiterating that, and you've ignored it. Do yourself a favor, go back, and re-read so you don't make the same mistake in your next response.
                            My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                            • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                              From the start of the debate, I've been emphatic that I'd take Smith back over Barden, who's a FA this year.

                              Multiple times I've tried reiterating that, and you've ignored it. Do yourself a favor, go back, and re-read so you don't make the same mistake in your next response.
                              STEVE SMITH CAN'T PLAY!!!!!!!!
                              How many horrible seasons will it take before you get that????
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                420 brought up Smith as a replacement for Cruz and 820 agreed with him.

                                Can't keep these friggin numbers straight (420, 820...Jeez Get real screen names for God's sake!)
                                Who's the one I crushed in the FF playoffs?....
                                Oh Yeah...That was 820.
                                Hahahahaha!!!!!!
                                Lol you did crush me, but you're making an *** out of yourself at this time. You're the only one who has missed what I've been saying this whole time.
                                My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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