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  • #61
    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Thread is collapsing like the Giants' season
    ha classic.

    Just bc I feel partly responsible for other peoples sudden loss of IQ just under 80, I feel Cruz will get a 5 yr, 30 mil contract with some sort of 10 mil signing bonus, so itll equate to 8 mil a year or around there, and not hurt the cap too badly. i can see it being worth 10 mil too, but god i hope not.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
      i already think Nicks is the odd man out. i think they're counting on Randle continue to develop the way he looked like he was a the end of the season, and i don't see Nicks suddenly becoming so much more durable given his style of play. right or wrong, Cruz will be on the field more based on how he plays.

      just like Osi's fate being decided by what we did with his follow positionmates, the same thing applies to Nicks. if cruz gets 8-10, then nicks won't get more than what you'd expect an older injury prone player to get.
      Let's see if they sign Hixon early. He gives them a dependability factor when any "elite" receiver falters.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #63
        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        You need to lighten up, it was clear to me it was a joke which was indicated by "Oy"
        ha i was lightened on that too, i cant even kid around. <- still being sarcastic. im just not very good at it.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
          some one thinking jokes about a person having 2 names is funny, is funnier. some one who erroneously believes 2 seperate people are the same, and then that jokes about that are funny, is the funniest. all for different reasons, in different ways. but its off topic, sorry. I wanted to try and make off handed quips like urs last night. i was right, it did feel pathetic. lol. ANYWAYS, back to the topic at hand, what was it again?
          Lol what did I just read..uh yeah anyway, I'm not sure if you truly believe Cruz is similar to Jerry Rice or not and if you do then that's fine, but that is an extremely laughable comparison. $8-10 million is a lot of money, and while Cruz is an important part to this team, he is very inconsistent.
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • #65
            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            ha i was lightened on that too, i cant even kid around. <- still being sarcastic. im just not very good at it.
            USE RED FONT lol
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
              $8-10 million? if that happens get used to having the 32th ranked defense for years to come since we won't be able to pay anyone.
              its gonna be rough. we may have to have a year of cutting some serious fat, and thatll mean we lose some great players too...its a tough situation. but id rather be in this situation than having to try and find a cruz...

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              • #67
                Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                its gonna be rough. we may have to have a year of cutting some serious fat, and thatll mean we lose some great players too...its a tough situation. but id rather be in this situation than having to try and find a cruz...
                GREAT POINT. GREAT.

                look to the senior citizens of our boards for true perspective.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  its gonna be rough. we may have to have a year of cutting some serious fat, and thatll mean we lose some great players too...its a tough situation. but id rather be in this situation than having to try and find a cruz...
                  The one thing we don't have any idea about is who is Reese going to release and what's that effect on the CAP? I would imagine he already has that list penciled in.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #69
                    we all have to remember, good wrs are not tough to replace, well they are but it can be done. Its gonna be near impossible finding another "Cruz"...now, economically, we did get 2 amazing years at bargain price. economically, and solely from that angle, itd make sense to not overpay, AT ALL. and let him go if he goes over a very cap friendly number. and u can do that, if u believe u can find another Cruz, and sustain the practice of finding "him", letting him go, and finding "him" all over again.
                    OR, do you look at it from, itll be near impossible to find another bargain like we had with Cruz, and that to have to pay market, and jeopardize other aspects of the team, is still worth it for the sustained success he will give us...

                    but then, can this offense produce another aspect to have similar success? its such a tough situation, I can see it from both sides.

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                    • #70
                      YOU GUYS ARE DREAMING TOP WR commands the going rate, he probably will take less to stay here but it will still be a high figure to lock him up during his prime.


                      now maybe some of you will see the problem with all the restructuring and bloated contracts hitting us now.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                        The one thing we don't have any idea about is who is Reese going to release and what's that effect on the CAP? I would imagine he already has that list penciled in.
                        from what i understand from people with better understanding of the issue, with how JR has backloaded a lot of the contracts with all the restructuring, we're in a position that were we to cut the players hurting our cap the most, the difference would be negligible bc of the cap penalty. Im sure JR and the FO can figure it out, but its gonna take work. which is why i can understand if JR is gonna stick to a price he wont overpay on bc we have to...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                          from what i understand from people with better understanding of the issue, with how JR has backloaded a lot of the contracts with all the restructuring, we're in a position that were we to cut the players hurting our cap the most, the difference would be negligible bc of the cap penalty. Im sure JR and the FO can figure it out, but its gonna take work. which is why i can understand if JR is gonna stick to a price he wont overpay on bc we have to...
                          correct

                          but it was his fault for not taking those cap hits sooner and as it turned out many of those guys were already under performing. last off season he could have dumped a few. now some are on the last year or two of these contracts

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                            from what i understand from people with better understanding of the issue, with how JR has backloaded a lot of the contracts with all the restructuring, we're in a position that were we to cut the players hurting our cap the most, the difference would be negligible bc of the cap penalty. Im sure JR and the FO can figure it out, but its gonna take work. which is why i can understand if JR is gonna stick to a price he wont overpay on bc we have to...
                            I know they'll figure it out, I just wish I understood the "caponomics"(stolen word) better
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                              YOU GUYS ARE DREAMING TOP WR commands the going rate, he probably will take less to stay here but it will still be a high figure to lock him up during his prime.


                              now maybe some of you will see the problem with all the restructuring and bloated contracts hitting us now.
                              is that the nassir nahim dude who thinks the sun is some sorta vortex? sorry id pm, but not that interested...

                              and we are all hoping he stays at a hometown discount, but he already gave us 2 phenomenal years at league min...lol...cant blame him if his hometown discount number is higher than what the FO has in mind

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                              • #75
                                i think cruz is a bit of a unique situation, because he's not just great on the field, the coaches and fellow players comment on how hard core his work ethic is off the field, couple that with the community stuff he does (coughlin mentioned it a couple times this year) and i think throughout the organization, if they're going to dig deep to sign a player it'll probably be him.

                                also, look at how he's approached this contract situation. nothing but completely professional. 100%. Flawless. Compare it to how Osi has gone about things.

                                i get it if we sign him to a big number, and i get it if we don't.

                                we also don't know what they think of nicks. are they looking forward to him getting back to 100%, or are they questioning how many games a year will he be 100% going forward? another strategy is paying one of the two the big money and then paying what you think you can afford for the other one. that could have a huge impact on what they're willing to commit to Cruz. We were paying $10 mill a season last year for the Bradshaw/Jacobs combo, maybe they have a $16 mill a year for starting WR number on their chart and they'll divide it up how they see fit? Who knows.

                                to me one things for sure, cruz may be willing to give the hometown discount, but he certainly doesn't have to, and reese has shown that he'll walk away from almost anyone if he doesn't think he's getting value. good news is everyone makes it sound like things are going well. thank god.
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