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  • #76
    Another thing to consider is that Cruz is older than nicks but not injury prone. I would not overpay for Cruz. There were some alarming games this season where he simply did not show up.


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    • #77
      Originally posted by Harooni View Post
      correct

      but it was his fault for not taking those cap hits sooner and as it turned out many of those guys were already under performing. last off season he could have dumped a few. now some are on the last year or two of these contracts
      to me, that is the most fair critique of JR, that he waited and actually worsened the cap hits in some instances. but then again, can u blame him with how we won a sb? he prob figured he could squeeze another year out before wholesale changes in hopes of another SB...i think its why a lot of the guys who've been here longest have been emotional, i think the realization is we cant delay those cap hit issues any longer...but then how does a cruz situation factor?

      lets not forget the RFA tender, JR can very well put this off, but then we 99% wont be able to keep both nicks n cruz unless JR does some masterful reworking of the cap

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      • #78
        Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
        i think cruz is a bit of a unique situation, because he's not just great on the field, the coaches and fellow players comment on how hard core his work ethic is off the field, couple that with the community stuff he does (coughlin mentioned it a couple times this year) and i think throughout the organization, if they're going to dig deep to sign a player it'll probably be him.also, look at how he's approached this contract situation. nothing but completely professional. 100%. Flawless. Compare it to how Osi has gone about things.i get it if we sign him to a big number, and i get it if we don't.we also don't know what they think of nicks. are they looking forward to him getting back to 100%, or are they questioning how many games a year will he be 100% going forward? another strategy is paying one of the two the big money and then paying what you think you can afford for the other one. that could have a huge impact on what they're willing to commit to Cruz. We were paying $10 mill a season last year for the Bradshaw/Jacobs combo, maybe they have a $16 mill a year for starting WR number on their chart and they'll divide it up how they see fit? Who knows.to me one things for sure, cruz may be willing to give the hometown discount, but he certainly doesn't have to, and reese has shown that he'll walk away from almost anyone if he doesn't think he's getting value. good news is everyone makes it sound like things are going well. thank god.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
          i think cruz is a bit of a unique situation, because he's not just great on the field, the coaches and fellow players comment on how hard core his work ethic is off the field, couple that with the community stuff he does (coughlin mentioned it a couple times this year) and i think throughout the organization, if they're going to dig deep to sign a player it'll probably be him.

          also, look at how he's approached this contract situation. nothing but completely professional. 100%. Flawless. Compare it to how Osi has gone about things.

          i get it if we sign him to a big number, and i get it if we don't.

          we also don't know what they think of nicks. are they looking forward to him getting back to 100%, or are they questioning how many games a year will he be 100% going forward? another strategy is paying one of the two the big money and then paying what you think you can afford for the other one. that could have a huge impact on what they're willing to commit to Cruz. We were paying $10 mill a season last year for the Bradshaw/Jacobs combo, maybe they have a $16 mill a year for starting WR number on their chart and they'll divide it up how they see fit? Who knows.

          to me one things for sure, cruz may be willing to give the hometown discount, but he certainly doesn't have to, and reese has shown that he'll walk away from almost anyone if he doesn't think he's getting value. good news is everyone makes it sound like things are going well. thank god.
          i think this summarizes the situation as good as possible.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
            i think cruz is a bit of a unique situation, because he's not just great on the field, the coaches and fellow players comment on how hard core his work ethic is off the field, couple that with the community stuff he does (coughlin mentioned it a couple times this year) and i think throughout the organization, if they're going to dig deep to sign a player it'll probably be him.

            also, look at how he's approached this contract situation. nothing but completely professional. 100%. Flawless. Compare it to how Osi has gone about things.

            i get it if we sign him to a big number, and i get it if we don't.

            we also don't know what they think of nicks. are they looking forward to him getting back to 100%, or are they questioning how many games a year will he be 100% going forward? another strategy is paying one of the two the big money and then paying what you think you can afford for the other one. that could have a huge impact on what they're willing to commit to Cruz. We were paying $10 mill a season last year for the Bradshaw/Jacobs combo, maybe they have a $16 mill a year for starting WR number on their chart and they'll divide it up how they see fit? Who knows.

            to me one things for sure, cruz may be willing to give the hometown discount, but he certainly doesn't have to, and reese has shown that he'll walk away from almost anyone if he doesn't think he's getting value. good news is everyone makes it sound like things are going well. thank god.
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            • #81
              thats another reality too, JR tenders Cruz ala the Wallace situation, puts it off, and then has Nicks n Cruz's year determine who gets the contract and the other one walks...and that would be super interesting with guys like Randle and JJ on the squad bc u have to think how they develop plays a big part in the equation if it goes that route, pardon the pun

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              • #82
                Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                is that the nassir nahim dude who thinks the sun is some sorta vortex? sorry id pm, but not that interested...

                and we are all hoping he stays at a hometown discount, but he already gave us 2 phenomenal years at league min...lol...cant blame him if his hometown discount number is higher than what the FO has in mind
                agreed , i dont blame him at all

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  lets not forget the RFA tender, JR can very well put this off, but then we 99% wont be able to keep both nicks n cruz unless JR does some masterful reworking of the cap
                  This is one thing that I think could possibly work in the Giants' favour - Cruz wants to get paid, right? Perhaps he accepts a lower rate with more security just to avoid having to risk another year before cashing in?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                    This is one thing that I think could possibly work in the Giants' favour - Cruz wants to get paid, right? Perhaps he accepts a lower rate with more security just to avoid having to risk another year before cashing in?
                    I think they will get a long-term deal done that neither side will regret
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                      This is one thing that I think could possibly work in the Giants' favour - Cruz wants to get paid, right? Perhaps he accepts a lower rate with more security just to avoid having to risk another year before cashing in?
                      The CAP reportedly is supposed to have a significant bump in 2014
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                        to me, that is the most fair critique of JR, that he waited and actually worsened the cap hits in some instances. but then again, can u blame him with how we won a sb? he prob figured he could squeeze another year out before wholesale changes in hopes of another SB...i think its why a lot of the guys who've been here longest have been emotional, i think the realization is we cant delay those cap hit issues any longer...but then how does a cruz situation factor?

                        lets not forget the RFA tender, JR can very well put this off, but then we 99% wont be able to keep both nicks n cruz unless JR does some masterful reworking of the cap
                        i like reese but it was pretty clear we could have replaced a few guys and saved a bit for the future, fresh off a SB win was the perfect time really.
                        if he again resctrutures to get under instead of cutting guys flat out and saving what he can, we then have the same problem next season and so on, and then we have no $$$ to sign much needed upgrades as well as retain our own FA.

                        he has his work cut out for him right now.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                          i like reese but it was pretty clear we could have replaced a few guys and saved a bit for the future, fresh off a SB win was the perfect time really. if he again resctrutures to get under instead of cutting guys flat out and saving what he can, we then have the same problem next season and so on, and then we have no $$$ to sign much needed upgrades as well as retain our own FA. he has his work cut out for him right now.
                          He has no choice now.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                            thats another reality too, JR tenders Cruz ala the Wallace situation, puts it off, and then has Nicks n Cruz's year determine who gets the contract and the other one walks...and that would be super interesting with guys like Randle and JJ on the squad bc u have to think how they develop plays a big part in the equation if it goes that route, pardon the pun
                            This x100. I think this approach is the smartest way. If I had to choose between a Healthy Nicks or a Healthy Cruz for 10 million, it would be Nicks every day. I agree with Ranier that Cruz lacks physicality. If you look at the top end WRs, they all have that physicality about them. To determine a WR's worth, the question you have to ask I think is, how well would he do on a bad team? I have no doubts that Nicks would be able to battle other defenders for poorly thrown balls in lots of traffic. Cruz? I don't think so.
                            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

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                            • #89
                              if we slap cruz with a tender for example. he is still free to negotiate with other teams and if signed we get a draft pick and lose him, if we dont match that offer.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                                if we slap cruz with a tender for example. he is still free to negotiate with other teams and if signed we get a draft pick and lose him, if we dont match that offer.
                                True, but i dont' think Cruz is some immense talent that couldn't be found in the first round.
                                http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                                http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                                http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                                Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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