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    It would be a good idea if someone (who knows what they are doing) could calculate (or approximately calculate) the Cap hits for various players, particularly the ones that often creep up in these MB conversations of late. Then they could be posted in a sticky topic, like the snap count thread. Then we could all refer to them in our many MB conversations, (and blast the fools who don't know what they are talking about! Fun!)

    Thank you in advance, person who knows what they are doing.
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    Problem is we dont know the actual contract details. Those arent public info.

    For instance, I believe Rolle restructured last season, but what are the details of that restructuring?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      Problem is we dont know the actual contract details. Those arent public info.

      For instance, I believe Rolle restructured last season, but what are the details of that restructuring?
      Generally speaking, when you restructure a contract (for cap reasons) you're taking the players' salary for that year and guaranteeing it. That allows you to treat it as a signing bonus and divide it equally over the remainder of the contract as far as the cap is concerned.

      Other details in restructuring are pay differences (usually less if at all ... ) and length of contract (ala Osi's extension).

      Rolle's restructure was a typical cap move.
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      • #4
        Maybe an estimated range then?

        Maybe it could be added to the off-season guide?
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        • #5
          http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/

          Click on the individual to get the contract specifics. You save base salary and the first $150-250k of the "Misc. Bonus" which is typically the work out bonus (assuming you're cutting before OTAs). Signing bonuses and the remainder of the Misc. Bonus must be paid if cut.

          This doesn't include any weirdness in the contract itself (such as deferrals and what not which are rarities).

          In the case of Rolle, we'd have to pay him $2 million if we cut him before OTAs and $2 million next year. We'd save $7 million (his base salary) for this year.

          You can go on down and apply the same method to all of the other players (it really isn't as complex as all that).
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
            Generally speaking, when you restructure a contract (for cap reasons) you're taking the players' salary for that year and guaranteeing it. That allows you to treat it as a signing bonus and divide it equally over the remainder of the contract as far as the cap is concerned.

            Other details in restructuring are pay differences (usually less if at all ... ) and length of contract (ala Osi's extension).

            Rolle's restructure was a typical cap move.
            I know how restructures work, but I dont know the details of his.

            If his base salary was 7 million, and he had 3 years left on it, and converted 6 of the 7 million to a signing bonus, then it adds another 2 million to every year on his contract.

            So his cap hit in the current year would have been 3 million ($1mil base + $2mil signing bonus)

            But we dont have the details of what it was.

            If he is cut, all that signing bonus money accelerates and hits in the current year. Though I believe it can be spread through 2 years.

            We need the details. I have no idea of how much of his money was converted to a signing bonus over how many years.


            So if Rolle was cut, then the giants should be on the hook for the signing bonus, which in this case would have been the $6 million, plus I believe the original signing bonus which was also distributed through his contract.
            Last edited by slipknottin; 01-03-2013, 03:06 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              I know how restructures work, but I dont know the details of his.

              If his base salary was 7 million, and he had 3 years left on it, and converted 6 of the 7 million to a signing bonus, then it adds another 2 million to every year on his contract.

              So his cap hit in the current year would have been 3 million ($1mil base + $2mil signing bonus)

              But we dont have the details of what it was.

              If he is cut, all that signing bonus money accelerates and hits in the current year. Though I believe it can be spread through 2 years.

              We need the details. I have no idea of how much of his money was converted to a signing bonus over how many years.


              So if Rolle was cut, then the giants should be on the hook for the signing bonus, which in this case would have been the $6 million, plus I believe the original signing bonus which was also distributed through his contract.
              I was under the impression that for cap purposes the money is deferred (if the team wants to) over the original life the contract once the player is cut. So if a player signs a 5 year, $10 million contract with a $5 million signing bonus and is cut after the first year, the cap hit is spread out over the remaining 4 years (i.e. $1 million per year in this case to the tune of $4 million over the next 4 years).

              The player already has his money (signing bonuses are paid immediately (just for general edification sake ... I know you know this)).

              Also good point about how much of his salary might have been converted ... I forgot to mention that to the masses. A partial portion of a salary can be converted to a signing bonus (instead of the whole thing). This is still considered "restructuring" a contract.

              Example: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...gning-bonuses-

              P.S. - Rolle's original signing bonus was $5 million. The Giants are scheduled to pay out $9 million. I'd assume that the restructure was for $4 million. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-.../antrel-rolle/

              Incidentally, he was guaranteed $15 million. Had he not reached that amount before he was cut I believe THAT amount gets accelerated (as opposed to the signing bonus or restructure).
              Last edited by Kruunch; 01-03-2013, 04:11 PM.
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              • #8
                my eyes just glazed over.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mercury View Post
                  my eyes just glazed over.
                  Which is why these same exact posts appear every year

                  The new CBA hasn't helped either.

                  But hey, you asked!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                    Problem is we dont know the actual contract details. Those arent public info.

                    For instance, I believe Rolle restructured last season, but what are the details of that restructuring?
                    this all i could find


                    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-.../antrel-rolle/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      I was under the impression that for cap purposes the money is deferred (if the team wants to) over the original life the contract once the player is cut. So if a player signs a 5 year, $10 million contract with a $5 million signing bonus and is cut after the first year, the cap hit is spread out over the remaining 4 years (i.e. $1 million per year in this case to the tune of $4 million over the next 4 years).

                      The player already has his money (signing bonuses are paid immediately (just for general edification sake ... I know you know this)).

                      Also good point about how much of his salary might have been converted ... I forgot to mention that to the masses. A partial portion of a salary can be converted to a signing bonus (instead of the whole thing). This is still considered "restructuring" a contract.

                      Example: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...gning-bonuses-

                      P.S. - Rolle's original signing bonus was $5 million. The Giants are scheduled to pay out $9 million. I'd assume that the restructure was for $4 million. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-.../antrel-rolle/

                      Incidentally, he was guaranteed $15 million. Had he not reached that amount before he was cut I believe THAT amount gets accelerated (as opposed to the signing bonus or restructure).
                      excellent. can't do better than that explanation. i do believe that signing bonus plus the portion of the guarantee not reached is accelerated.
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                      • #12
                        Ok, Kruunch,

                        I went to the website you posted and I clicked on Eli Manning. When I did, it lists the Cap hit by each year of the contract. For example, it says that Eli's 2013 Cap hit would be 20,850,000.

                        so is it correct? Or does the restructuring of Eli's contract make this information untrue?

                        Thanks
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                        • #13
                          a significant portion of the jump in his cap number is because of his restructuring.
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                          • #14
                            and that number takes into account his restructuring. if you've noticed they don't calculate team 2013 cap numbers yet (they're still only showing 2012 team cap numbers).

                            fiddle around with that website. its the bomb.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
                              and that number takes into account his restructuring. if you've noticed they don't calculate team 2013 cap numbers yet (they're still only showing 2012 team cap numbers).

                              fiddle around with that website. its the bomb.
                              But that's just it, if you click on the name, you do see what the 2013 cap numbers are. But my question is, are they accurate?
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