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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
    Players aren't motivated and that comes down to the coaches.
    I disagree with that. A lot. Extrinsic motivation is fleeting at best. It has to come from within.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ALLnygIN View Post
      I think some of you live in a fantasy world. Do you really expect a guy who hasn't played football in two years and never really played football in the NFL to come out and be the next Warren Sapp his first year back?


      Lets be realistic. He hasn't played in two years. This was his first time playing in the NFL. It'll take time for him to get his physical abilities back up to snuff, his stanima, and all the other stuff that comes along with being an NFL player. If your going to write him off at least give the guy a proper chance. Sitting at home on the couch wandering about Marvin Austin each sunday and saying man this guy is a bust is not a fair assestment all things considering.
      I expected him to at least beat out a 7th round project with very limited football experience. Or to show up to mini camp in shape.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
        Players aren't motivated and that comes down to the coaches.
        No offense, but this statement could only come from someone who never played the game. If you played, you would know that very little of a player's motivation comes from their coaches . . . especially at the NFL level.

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        • #34
          I wish Shawn Rogers stayed healthy this year. He could have been a force coming off the bench.

          I haven't given up on Austin yet.
          "Team sports are a different animal. They tap into deep seeded tribal instincts. Our team vs your team used to be our tribe vs your tribe. Winner takes all – land, plunder, women. You inherently care when you are aligned with a tribe/team. The players are interchangeable but team always stays the same." - JOESONDO from UG forum

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Drez View Post
            I disagree with that. A lot. Extrinsic motivation is fleeting at best. It has to come from within.
            Exactly......great coaches know how to push the right buttons when they need to jump start a player. But great players all have a motor that kicks in when that button is pushed.

            I think Marvin Austin is a guy who had the physical tools to be a good college player without much effort. And so far in the NFL, I don't think he's stepped the effort up to match the jump in competition.

            Maybe I'm wrong....I sure hope I am, because 2nd round busts set a team back....you really need your 1st and 2nd round guys to become solid starters...... that's one reason why the Giants are still struggling at LB (Sintim).
            "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

            "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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            • #36
              Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
              Exactly......great coaches know how to push the right buttons when they need to jump start a player. But great players all have a motor that kicks in when that button is pushed.

              I think Marvin Austin is a guy who had the physical tools to be a good college player without much effort. And so far in the NFL, I don't think he's stepped the effort up to match the jump in competition.

              Maybe I'm wrong....I sure hope I am, because 2nd round busts set a team back....you really need your 1st and 2nd round guys to become solid starters...... that's one reason why the Giants are still struggling at LB (Sintim).
              True. But, with Austin we're talking about a guy that hadn't played meaningful football in over 2 years (and there was no telling that he would have torn his pec and miss his rookie season). I'm willing to call this a working the rust off season. If he still struggles mightily during the preseason, then I'll start thinking he was a total miss.

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              • #37
                Wasted draft pick
                Go Giants!!!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                  No offense, but this statement could only come from someone who never played the game. If you played, you would know that very little of a player's motivation comes from their coaches . . . especially at the NFL level.
                  That's the truth. Jerry Rice wasn't great because of superior athleticism, he was great because he was self motivated to improve himself in maniacal ways.

                  Makes me wonder why the Jets think the key to Sanchez improving as a quarterback is to bring in veteran comptition........silly Jets.
                  No one remembers who came in second.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Drez View Post
                    True. But, with Austin we're talking about a guy that hadn't played meaningful football in over 2 years (and there was no telling that he would have torn his pec and miss his rookie season). I'm willing to call this a working the rust off season. If he still struggles mightily during the preseason, then I'll start thinking he was a total miss.
                    I can understand why you would want to give him another season to show if there is anything there. A 2nd round pick deserves every chance to hopefully prove me wrong....but I think if he had anything in the tank, we should have seen it in 2012.

                    I'm guessing Coughlin is going to give him a chance to stay on the team next year, but nothing beyond that....he'll need to be healthy and productive next season.
                    "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                    "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                    • #40
                      We're slim at the defensive tackle position. After Joseph and Canty we have slim pickings. Rocky Bernard was a nice player for us, great depth, but he's not the solution for the future. Kuhn was a bit of a suprise, nothing spectacular but a nice player to have at depth. And that leaves us what most of us thought was a steal in the 2nd round (Marvin Austin)

                      We all knew he didn't play his last year at NC, and then got hurt his rookie year in the preseason, so that's two years of not playing football. And what does he show for it when OTA's start in 2011? He's out of shape, not something I would think a high draft pick who hasn't played in 2 years would do. I think Giants staff will keep a sharp eye on him in training camp and pre-season, if he doesn't show any sort of ability that he show cased in college it might be the best option to release him and find a player who can. It wasn't a coincidence that our run defense got gashed all season up the middle.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by primetime View Post
                        We're slim at the defensive tackle position. After Joseph and Canty we have slim pickings. Rocky Bernard was a nice player for us, great depth, but he's not the solution for the future. Kuhn was a bit of a suprise, nothing spectacular but a nice player to have at depth. And that leaves us what most of us thought was a steal in the 2nd round (Marvin Austin)

                        We all knew he didn't play his last year at NC, and then got hurt his rookie year in the preseason, so that's two years of not playing football. And what does he show for it when OTA's start in 2011? He's out of shape, not something I would think a high draft pick who hasn't played in 2 years would do. I think Giants staff will keep a sharp eye on him in training camp and pre-season, if he doesn't show any sort of ability that he show cased in college it might be the best option to release him and find a player who can. It wasn't a coincidence that our run defense got gashed all season up the middle.

                        Excellent point (bolded)....this is what turned me off to Austin.

                        You'd think that this guy would be in shape, and would have the playbook down cold. If I were sidelined a season, I'd be splitting time between rehabbing and the film room....I'd be in that facility every day trying to do something with my time.

                        I agree we don't have the guys to just cut Austin.....I'm expecting a new guy will outhustle him for his job next year. Or maybe Rocky Bernard goes.....in either case, I think the position will be upgraded in 2013.
                        Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 01-08-2013, 02:54 PM.
                        "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                        "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                          Excellent point (bolded)....this is what turned me off to Austin.

                          You'd think that this guy would be in shape, and would have the playbook down cold. If I were sidelined a season, I'd be splitting time between rehabbing and the film room....I'd be in that facility every day trying to do something with my time.

                          I agree we don't have the guys to just cut Austin.....I'm expecting a new guy will outhustle him for his job next year. Or maybe Rocky Bernard goes.....in either case, I think the position will be upgraded in 2013.
                          Totally Agree. Showing up to mini camp out of shape was a huge red flag.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                            No offense, but this statement could only come from someone who never played the game. If you played, you would know that very little of a player's motivation comes from their coaches . . . especially at the NFL level.
                            Not exactly true...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                              Is it possible that if he stays healthy he can contribute this season? Been supporting him since they drafted him, but starting to have some doubts. Would be nice if he could get it together and use his athletic ability on the field. He may have had to much time off though. He wasn't even hurt this year and when he was activated he didn't look very good.
                              Of course there is. He was off the field for two years. He's got to be given some time to acclimate into the NFL.
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                Of course there is. He was off the field for two years. He's got to be given some time to acclimate into the NFL.
                                I've seen baby whales that were released quicker than this guy.

                                Time for chubbsy ubbsy to take off the training wheels and get after the QB.
                                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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