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  • #76
    Originally posted by TheShouldersOf View Post
    Indeed, so Eli doesn't 'Call' run or pass, he can check to it based on the defense, but he can only call what Gilbride gave, so example the 3 Shotgun Draws

    Eli wants to check into a run based on what the defense shows, but the only run he can check into is the Draw, if he see's the same defense 3 times in a row it's going to be a draw three time, and that is on Gilbride, because the run may be the superior option at that time, doesn't mean the Shotgun draw is the superior run choice,
    Eli also has full audible control (of course limited by the personnel package that they are in).

    And if you're in shotgun, there aren't a ton of different types of run plays you can call than a draw (or what looks like a draw to a common fan).

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    • #77
      Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
      well said actually that is a pretty good example of what im talking about. basically eli can only operate in the paremeters set by kgs scheme and offense. any decision eli will make will be based entirely upon that. u said it well thanks
      So you have a problem with the scheme? Otherwise none of what you say makes any sense and basically is just you saying what happens in an offense.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by JayMas9 View Post
        So you have a problem with the scheme? Otherwise none of what you say makes any sense and basically is just you saying what happens in an offense.
        the only thing i have a problem with in this thread is people blaming solely kg, or solely eli. im just trying to squash the fallacy used over and over that "eli decides run/pass so it absolves KG"...thats it. i do have some issues with the scheme, but overall KGs made me eat crow more than Id like so Ive learned better.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
          the only thing i have a problem with in this thread is people blaming solely kg, or solely eli. im just trying to squash the fallacy used over and over that "eli decides run/pass so it absolves KG"...thats it. i do have some issues with the scheme, but overall KGs made me eat crow more than Id like so Ive learned better.
          Then stick up for gilbride when people get upset about a shotgun draw.

          It's both Eli and gilbride who are responsible.

          Eli makes the final decision run or pass. In shotgun there are not a wide variety of runs with an immobile QB.

          Really I would like to see some pistol used with Eli so they could have both the I-runs and the shotgun vision. But that won't happen

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          • #80
            Good for Gilbride......now give ANY other O coordinator in the league (outside of Sparano) Eli and the weapons the Giants have on O and they'd be #1 in the league year-in-year out.......unfortunately until a change is made this statement nor any other can be proved right or wrong.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              Then stick up for gilbride when people get upset about a shotgun draw.

              It's both Eli and gilbride who are responsible.

              Eli makes the final decision run or pass. In shotgun there are not a wide variety of runs with an immobile QB.

              Really I would like to see some pistol used with Eli so they could have both the I-runs and the shotgun vision. But that won't happen
              I'd like to see us get one real possession receiver to move the chains (or transition Bennett into this role).
              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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              • #82
                Originally posted by sheepdip View Post
                Dude I dont sugar coat anything. I would love to say something nice about our coaches I really would.
                .
                Can you provide a link to a post where you ever said something nice about giants coaches?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by DandyDon View Post
                  Can you provide a link to a post where you ever said something nice about giants coaches?
                  SD is alright. He and I don't see eye to eye, however, his statements are his opinion. (even though there wrong) lol.

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                  • #84
                    I always say this.....GILBRIDE CAN DRAW PLAYS UP WITH THE BEST OF THEM. His playcalling is really, really bad though. Hell of an architect, but he can't put the house together correctly.

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                    • #85
                      If you score 50 points in one game 40 the next, then 10, 10, and 10 next, it averages it out to 24 points a game. Still, for an offense, those are poor numbers.

                      Those 10 point games probably translated to 3 losses. Where as if the offense was more consistent, all 5 games were winnable.
                      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                      Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        ELI DECIDES RUN OR PASS AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
                        Save your breath. That will never sink in.

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                        • #87
                          Originally Posted by slipknottin

                          ELI DECIDES RUN OR PASS AT THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE
                          Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                          technically, the defense is deciding that
                          Please. The defense shows Eli want they want to show. Eli decides on the ultimate play based on his reads. Do you think it's possible that the defense could fool Eli? In that event, do you still blame Kevin for not teaching Eli well enough?


                          , as eli will pick the run play or pass play KG CALLS based on the defensive look...and eli decided run/pass based on the gameplan KG installs weekly. Dont just go to the other end of the spectrum and claim eli has total freedom to do as he pleases just to counter the argument its all on KG. its on both, but imo, mostly on KG.
                          Instead of stating the obvious through your twists and turns, what is your basis for this decision? For if you were correct then the primary reason for our success and failure rests on Kevin Gilbride over our players. Therefore you must give Kevin Gilbride most of the credit on the Eli to Tyree play in the Super Bowl. After all, it was all based on Kevin's playbook.

                          Eli can only choose between the 3 plays sent in from what I have read and understand. those 3 plays are based on the formation that KG sent in as well, meaning ive never seen us come out in a I formation, and eli audibles into a shotgun formation play..
                          Perhaps you are not as knowledgeable as you think. Sometimes Eli is given more than that. Sometimes he has 2 pass and 2 run plays as an example. Sometimes it's a set play regardless.

                          .Eli is making his decisions based on the parameters of KGs scheme and instruction. The decisions eli will make still has a ton of input from KG on when and why to make certain decisions...to try and excuse KG bc "eli decides run or pass" which is a slanted statement anyways, is as comical as people blaming solely kg.
                          Instead of just repeating your theory, maybe you could describe how KG system influenced two different plays. One positive and one negative. The Tyree play in '07, and the Eli left-hand interception earlier this year...

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                          • #88
                            Points Per Game -- 26.8 (5th)
                            Points Per Play -- 0.443 (2nd)
                            Touchdowns Per Game -- 2.9 (7th)
                            Red Zone Scoring Attempts Per Game -- 3.9 (4th)
                            Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TDs only) -- 54.84 percent (13th)
                            Plays Per Game -- 60.5 (31st)
                            Yards Per Play -- 5.9 (4th)
                            Avg. Time Of Possession -- 29:10 (23rd)
                            Third Down Conversion Percentage -- 40.62 percent (11th)
                            Rushing Attempts Per Game -- 25.6 (23rd)
                            Yards Per Rush Attempt -- 4.6 (7th)
                            Rushing Play Percentage -- 42.25 percent (15th)
                            Passing Yards Per Game -- 239.1 (12th)
                            Yards Per Pass Attempt -- 7.1 (11th)
                            Yards Per Completion -- 11.8 (4th)
                            QB Sacked Percentage -- 3.58 percent (2nd)
                            Average Team Passer Rating -- 87.2 (14th)

                            ---

                            I think it is obvious where we need to improve. OLINE.
                            WE ALREADY HAVE A GREAT RUNNING BACK:

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post

                              Plays Per Game -- 60.5 (31st)

                              Avg. Time Of Possession -- 29:10 (23rd)


                              These things corroborate what Coach Coughlin said about our defense being on the field too much.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
                                Points Per Game -- 26.8 (5th)
                                Points Per Play -- 0.443 (2nd)
                                Touchdowns Per Game -- 2.9 (7th)
                                Red Zone Scoring Attempts Per Game -- 3.9 (4th)
                                Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TDs only) -- 54.84 percent (13th)
                                Plays Per Game -- 60.5 (31st)
                                Yards Per Play -- 5.9 (4th)
                                Avg. Time Of Possession -- 29:10 (23rd)
                                Third Down Conversion Percentage -- 40.62 percent (11th)
                                Rushing Attempts Per Game -- 25.6 (23rd)
                                Yards Per Rush Attempt -- 4.6 (7th)
                                Rushing Play Percentage -- 42.25 percent (15th)
                                Passing Yards Per Game -- 239.1 (12th)
                                Yards Per Pass Attempt -- 7.1 (11th)
                                Yards Per Completion -- 11.8 (4th)
                                QB Sacked Percentage -- 3.58 percent (2nd)
                                Average Team Passer Rating -- 87.2 (14th)

                                ---

                                I think it is obvious where we need to improve. OLINE.
                                Time of possession is an indictment on our defense.

                                And a testament to how fast our offense can score given the other stats.
                                I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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