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  • #61
    Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
    It is fair to say that if any thread is about how great Eli is, you will appear (and post repeatedly) and set the record straight about how Eli "Eli is inconsistent, inaccurate, and inefficient - relative to his peers. And I've been saying this for years."

    I'm simply amused by the fact that all your years of hard work to educate the masses about the "real" Eli is going to not simply be ignored by every talking head; it's about to be completely and utterly disputed and discredited repeatedly on a world wide stage.

    And here's a tip for you: anytime anyone says that they 0 emotional attachment to someone, and then spends literally 90% of their time talking about them, they might not be very honest about how they feel.

    For heavens sake, you say you don't care about Eli and yet your signature is two articles related to the guy! The Joker is less obsessed with Batman than you are with Eli

    Trust me, if you were in my place, you would find it hilarious.
    Another explanation would be that he's like me. Maybe he likes Eli just fine and roots for him with all his being, (like I do) but his problem isn't Eli, it's those who worship him and have an unrealistic view of what kind of player he is.
    Which is actually fine until they lash out at those who see him as a good, yet flawed QB.....And say so here.

    Just spitballing here.
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      Another explanation would be that he's like me. Maybe he likes Eli just fine and roots for him with all his being, (like I do) but his problem isn't Eli, it's those who worship him and have an unrealistic view of what kind of player he is.
      Which is actually fine until they lash out at those who see him as a good, yet flawed QB.....And say so here.

      Just spitballing here.
      You don't want any of this. I usually stay out of these, but until the SB, I will enjoy myself.

      By the way...how would you "realistically view" a 2 time SB MVP, holder of multiple regular season, playoff and SB records?

      Edit...just for fun, I will begin each reply with a record or accolade that Eli has
      Last edited by Delicreep; 01-22-2013, 08:21 PM.
      Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
        You don't want any of this. I usually stay out of these, but until the SB, I will enjoy myself.

        By the way...how would you "realistically view" a 2 time SB MVP, holder of multiple regular season, playoff and SB records?
        I care that my team won 2 SB's. I'm glad that our QB played an important part of that. But these are TEAM wins. These are TEAM SB's,
        Our teams are made up of players, some better than others, who play together and have been able to go on two great SB runs.

        And as for records like "most yards in the first quarter" or "longest opening drive" or whatever (I made those up) ....I say who the hell cares. Those kind of things mean nothing.
        But putting those things aside and talking about our QB....I say he's a fine young man and a very good player. He has been a part of two historic playoff runs and he has been a part of some horrible play by our team as well.
        I'm a Giants fan. I was for 40 years before we won our SB in 07. And God willing, I will be in 40 more years. And we'll probably be arguing about THAT QB when it happens.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          I care that my team won 2 SB's. I'm glad that our QB played an important part of that. But these are TEAM wins. These are TEAM SB's,
          Our teams are made up of players, some better than others, who play together and have been able to go on two great SB runs.

          And as for records like "most yards in the first quarter" or "longest opening drive" or whatever (I made those up) ....I say who the hell cares. Those kind of things mean nothing.
          But putting those things aside and talking about our QB....I say he's a fine young man and a very good player. He has been a part of two historic playoff runs and he has been a part of some horrible play by our team as well.
          I'm a Giants fan. I was for 40 years before we won our SB in 07. And God willing, I will be in 40 more years. And we'll probably be arguing about THAT QB when it happens.
          Eli Manning is the QB with the most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 yards in 2011)

          So if I understand your post above, the fact that it's a team game means that all QB's are equal, and I assume at all times as well?

          Is that what you are saying; that top flight play is irrelevant and Brady and Tebow are equals?

          'Cause I am saying something different.
          Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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          • #65
            Originally posted by TheBookOfEli View Post
            I can't help but see how strikingly similar Joe Flacco and Eli Manning are. Of course Eli has the 2 rings but both are wildly inconsistent but come crunch time, including playoff time, these 2 always show up. I would love to one day see these 2 go at it in a Superbowl.

            Both even have similar nicknames- Joe Cool and Easy E.
            This Ravens team in general reminds me of the Giants last year, and I think they'll win the SB as well.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
              Eli Manning is the QB with the most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 yards in 2011)

              So if I understand your post above, the fact that it's a team game means that all QB's are equal, and I assume at all times as well?

              Is that what you are saying; that top flight play is irrelevant and Brady and Tebow are equals?

              'Cause I am saying something different.
              Tim Tebow had the highest yards per attempt in the post season last year.
              http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
              http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
              http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

              Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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              • #67
                Originally posted by BigBlue1971 View Post
                Flacco has turned his team around starting with the Giants win! if he does win the superbowl i can see the similarities of getting on a good run and finishing!Flacco did replace Eli as the winningest "road warrior" qb!
                yes he did. By beating the Falcons in Atlanta on Sunday it gave Flacco his record 6th Playoff Road win. However that is misleading as he also had 4 playoff Road losses. So 6-4. While Eli is 5-1 on the Road in the playoffs. Counting the two SB games (which were also consider away games) that makes him 7-1.
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • #68
                  By the way. At one time mark Sanchez was playing the steelers in Pittsburgh not so long ago (2010) in the AFCCG for the right (at the time) to have a record setting 5th Road Playoff win. He came into that game having 4 with wins at NE and Indy over Brady and Peyton. There were quite a few top notch former QBs all tied at 4 RD playoff victories. For Sanchez we all know the ending. He didnt get that 5th Road playoff win that night and his career has been on a study decline ever since.
                  Football has been very, very good to us.
                  After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                  But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                  # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                  1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                  2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                  3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                  4-New York Giants!!!
                  5-NE
                  Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                  ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                  • #69
                    By the way at the time Eli and Flacco only had 3 each
                    Football has been very, very good to us.
                    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                    4-New York Giants!!!
                    5-NE
                    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                      Tim Tebow had the highest yards per attempt in the post season last year.

                      Is your point that the Eli's record playoff performance, a performance never before equaled by any QB in the league ever, has some relevant connection to a 2 game streak featuring a 40% completion percentage and two touchdowns (although the one against the Steelers was epic).

                      Care to tell the class in detail why the compare?
                      Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
                        Eli Manning is the QB with the most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 yards in 2011)

                        So if I understand your post above, the fact that it's a team game means that all QB's are equal, and I assume at all times as well?

                        Is that what you are saying; that top flight play is irrelevant and Brady and Tebow are equals?

                        'Cause I am saying something different.
                        Well I'm not sure how you get from "its a team game" that "all QB's are the same".
                        My point is that ELI didn't win a SB. The GIANTS won those SB's.

                        Now everyone knows me as a huge Phil Simms fan, but I would never say that Phil (as an individual) won a SB. The 86 Giants did and Phil was the QB.

                        I just don't look at individual accomplishments the same way you do I guess. I mean "passing yards in a playoff" is less than irrelevant to me. I see that those kinds of things are important to you. Those "stats" only mean something as they are needed to win games. Its the win that matters.
                        Coaches and players really don't care about those things. (at least not the ones that matter) I promise you, "yards in a playoff is not only irrelevant to me, its also irrelevant to Eli.
                        Last edited by Morehead State; 01-22-2013, 09:43 PM.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                          By the way. At one time mark Sanchez was playing the steelers in Pittsburgh not so long ago (2010) in the AFCCG for the right (at the time) to have a record setting 5th Road Playoff win. He came into that game having 4 with wins at NE and Indy over Brady and Peyton. There were quite a few top notch former QBs all tied at 4 RD playoff victories. For Sanchez we all know the ending. He didnt get that 5th Road playoff win that night and his career has been on a study decline ever since.
                          That road win thing is the weirdest thing: If I didn't know that Eli had it until this year, I would have never guessed it. Seems just wrong.
                          Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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                          • #73
                            People still throwing around that elite label. Lol. There is like one elite QB in the league right now, some better than average, and a bunch are good.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
                              Is your point that the Eli's record playoff performance, a performance never before equaled by any QB in the league ever, has some relevant connection to a 2 game streak featuring a 40% completion percentage and two touchdowns (although the one against the Steelers was epic).

                              Care to tell the class in detail why the compare?
                              No. But your characterization of Eli's play in the playoffs is WAY overstated. His play last year in the playoffs was very good, but hardly the greatest of all time. Its not like we went out and scored a ton of points. As a matter of fact, our offense with Eli as our QB has only scored more than 24 points once in the playoffs.
                              That's hardly "unmatched" in NFL history.
                              "Moving the ball between the 20's".. isn't hard in today's NFL.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                Well I'm not sure how you go from "its a team game" to "all QB's are the same".
                                My point is that ELI didn't win a SB. The GIANTS won those SB's.

                                Now everyone knows me as a huge Phil Simms fan, but I would never say that Phil (as an individual) won a SB. The 86 Giants did and Phil was the QB.

                                I just don't look at individual accomplishments the same way you do I guess. I mean "passing yards in a playoff" is less than irrelevant to me. I see that those kinds of things are important to you. Those "stats" only mean something as they are needed to win games. Its the win that matters.
                                Coaches and players really don't care about those things. (at least not the ones that matter) I promise you, "yards in a playoff is not only irrelevant to me, its also irrelevant to Eli.
                                Those passing yards were irrelevant? I promise we needed every one of 'em to win in SF and to win the SB.

                                Care to argue that?

                                Let me help you...you don't. There is no arguing it. We won because of those yards. And in SF, we won because Eli was able to take a horrific beating and still make those throws.

                                in 2007, Eli set an odd SB record in the 4th quarter...do you know what it is?
                                Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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