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  • #61
    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
    You cant draft in hindsight. No team saw him as a certain all-pro. If they had they would have drafted him in the first, not at the end of the 3rd.I could give a crap if he was from Penn State, I look at players, not schools.
    Yeah, and the two guys he took are pretty good.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
      you can say the same about JPP, it was a gamble that we were lucky that paid off,,,,,he did not do much this year so next year will be very telling.
      I dont understand what you are saying.

      Giants thought JPP and Linval Joseph and Chad Jones were all better players coming out.

      Not a team in the league thought Bowman was better than a late 3rd round pick.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
        you can say the same about JPP, it was a gamble that we were lucky that paid off,,,,,he did not do much this year so next year will be very telling.
        If you didn't think JPP did much this year, then you need to relearn how to watch football. His sack numbers were down, but he was still a disruptive force and one of the best run stopping DEs in the NFL.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
          I dont understand what you are saying. Giants thought JPP and Linval Joseph and Chad Jones were all better players coming out. Not a team in the league thought Bowman was better than a late 3rd round pick.
          Think what could have been had Jones been playing today?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Drez View Post
            If you didn't think JPP did much this year, then you need to relearn how to watch football. His sack numbers were down, but he was still a disruptive force and one of the best run stopping DEs in the NFL.
            lol...ok kid,,,what we need is for him to get after the QB,,,,what I saw was a guy who was good against the run but couldnt fight through a double team like all the greats do. maybe you should adjust your screen?
            Last edited by ELI_HOF_NYG; 01-22-2013, 11:27 PM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
              lol...ok kid,,,what we need is for him to get after the QB,,,,what I saw was a guy who was good against the run but couldnt fight through a double team like all the greats do. maybe you should adjust your screen?
              So, you don't ***** when Osi loses contain on a run play?

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                When did we stop drafting LBers early? and why?
                Heard Reese isn't too big on LBers.
                Essentially LBer has been considered the position(s) to have the least priority with current NFL trends. With the new defenseless receiver rules and the league going towards more of a passing league, CBs and Safeties become paramount on the back end, while the defensive line is always en vogue for the pass rush (this includes 3-4 OLBs). The by product of LBers becoming the last positions to be filled, is that they are also the cheapest positions to fill (which makes them good FA targets).

                I think running QBs (Kapernick, Wilson, RGIII, Vick, etc ...) and the return of strong run games (Redskins, Seahawks, 49ers, etc ...) will start having that trend reverse over the next few years (to a degree).
                I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  awesome post man...dang i haveta kick my own *** for giving u **** all that time before...
                  Yes, yes you do
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                    Do we not have the players to play man to man defense?
                    Do we only play man when we can get pressure on the Quarterback?

                    Also, does anybody know specifically how much zone defense we played this year?
                    I would love to go back and go through each game and see if they played more man with Phillips playing. It seemed like the Giants were a more aggressive with their coverage. Giants really only have Prince and Michael Coe " Who is gone now" that are capable press man corners.

                    Running QB's u have to play more zone or u get what happened to the Packers in the playoffs. U get all your LB's and CB's with their backs turned while a QB has 10 yards before u can get a guy to him

                    I like the Tampa 2 Defense but U need the Front 4 to be very good and it was pretty pedestrian this season. The Giants missed on Marvin Austin in the draft and that hurt pretty bad. They also have ignored the DE spot for 5 seasons its no wonder they have gotten old. They have added 1 player in 5 Drafts
                    Last edited by Redeyejedi; 01-23-2013, 09:21 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      Essentially LBer has been considered the position(s) to have the least priority with current NFL trends. With the new defenseless receiver rules and the league going towards more of a passing league, CBs and Safeties become paramount on the back end, while the defensive line is always en vogue for the pass rush (this includes 3-4 OLBs). The by product of LBers becoming the last positions to be filled, is that they are also the cheapest positions to fill (which makes them good FA targets).

                      I think running QBs (Kapernick, Wilson, RGIII, Vick, etc ...) and the return of strong run games (Redskins, Seahawks, 49ers, etc ...) will start having that trend reverse over the next few years (to a degree).
                      It's hard to argue with success. This model worked to bring us two SBs. But personally, I think more empahsis needs to be put on the LBers. They are the guys that contain the run and cover the short and intermediate routes, which is essentially most plays. And yes, these things seem to be cyclical, so a return to LBer prominence will come.
                      Do not feed the trolls.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                        Well, the thing is, u can go stretches in drafts where there simply is a better player at a certain positon, and also u can sign LB's via FA'cy, and then when a LB falls to the value at a certain round of draft for you, u think u don't need LB anymore, and then the FA u picked up ends up not being the player u thought, and then the whole thing starts again, with LB just not being of good value for sometime when ur picking..etc

                        We've picked up guys like Mike Barrow, Antonio Pierce, Mike Boley, Carlos Emmons, Barrett Green in FA'cy over the yrs, and had moderate success filling in with other picks in mid to late rds like Brandon Short, Dhani Jones, Jaquain Williams, just 2 name a few, which all changes the landscape of what u do in the draft at the positon..

                        I would say now more then ever, its seemed like the LB core if as bare, and not as potentially solid a unit as its been in some time.. even when guys like Barrett Green were busting for us, u still gotta give him his chance to proove hes a bust, and stuff like that.. For all we know, the GIANTS can go grab a couple FA's at the LB positon, and then we have a sick LB fall to us in a certain round, but we think we fixed the problem, and pass on em to fix other positons, and then u just wait and see, and it seems were ignoring hte positon in draft, but in reality, the thought process is we fixed it via FA'cy..

                        other than Brandon Short all the players you named were drafted by other teams and there is the problem, why can't we draft our own. other teams have very good LBers so there must be good ones there when we pick and us not getting any is the problem...

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Mercury View Post
                          It's hard to argue with success. This model worked to bring us two SBs. But personally, I think more empahsis needs to be put on the LBers. They are the guys that contain the run and cover the short and intermediate routes, which is essentially most plays. And yes, these things seem to be cyclical, so a return to LBer prominence will come.
                          I tend to agree. And you will notice that the post season teams all had excellent LBers (49ers, Ravens, Falcons and Pats most notably). I've felt we've undervalued the LB position for the past half decade but it's hard to argue that the secondary or dline aren't more important when push comes to shove.
                          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
                            other than Brandon Short all the players you named were drafted by other teams and there is the problem, why can't we draft our own. other teams have very good LBers so there must be good ones there when we pick and us not getting any is the problem...
                            Because it's cheaper buying LBers than it is Safeties, DEs or CBs.
                            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                              Because it's cheaper buying LBers than it is Safeties, DEs or CBs.
                              I understand that part of it but my question is that after more than 10 years of drafting mediocre LBers wouldn't you think we'd get it right just once and draft a good one

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
                                I understand that part of it but my question is that after more than 10 years of drafting mediocre LBers wouldn't you think we'd get it right just once and draft a good one
                                That's my question
                                Mood: WOOF!

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