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  • #61
    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    He said he was thinking about it in the off season prior to 2011, and also in 2011 before the Super Bowl. Clearly that just tells me he cannot perform at a efficient level throughout an entire season. I love Tuck to death, but he just cannot do it anymore. The past two seasons he has shown that he is not capable of being the player he once was. That is FINE. I understand that, people slow down, but give others a chance to perform. We have Ojomo and Tracey waiting for their opportunity on the bench, and here is Tuck promising to get better. How can you get better if you were thinking about retirement not long ago? If you are thinking about retirement you know you cannot perform. It's not rocket science. Sorry, but I'm just not buying it anymore. Also, what ever happened to talk is cheap player the game?
    Last year there was a neck injury and some lost loved ones that may have had him considering leaving the game. This year he was bad as where many on this team. As far as talk goes, it's the offseason for him. Nothing really bad about saying you want to play better next year is there?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
      Last year there was a neck injury and some lost loved ones that may have had him considering leaving the game. This year he was bad as where many on this team. As far as talk goes, it's the offseason for him. Nothing really bad about saying you want to play better next year is there?
      Tired of hearing it.
      Mood: WOOF!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Joe Morrison View Post
        Not to get into specifics, I was a State Champion in High School and College and know what it means to give it your all, at practice and game time.

        Took it the next step and coached Pop Warner, we had our group form 2nd grade right until they entered High School where they went on to be Champions also.

        Does this help?
        So you certainly know the difference between (1) a person who gives a 100% effort and for whatever reason (injuries, talent, bad luck, etc.) his performance output does not reflect that level of effort; and (2) a person who does not give 100% effort and his poor performance is directly due to that lack of effort.

        None of us knows the kind of work Tuck puts in behind the scenes -- in the weight room, the meeting rooms, in practice, in the offseason workouts, etc. All I am saying is that to say that a great Giants Champion isn't giving his full effort simply because he only had 4 sacks this year doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

        The guy has earned the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion, his body is not capable of producing on an every down basis anymore. Nothing to do with a lack of effort.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Joe Morrison View Post
          Not to get into specifics, I was a State Champion in High School and College and know what it means to give it your all, at practice and game time.

          Took it the next step and coached Pop Warner, we had our group form 2nd grade right until they entered High School where they went on to be Champions also.

          Does this help?
          Nice post. Also, Jake Gibbs is NCAA National Champion QB.

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          • #65
            I really hope that Justin Tuck does go out and prepare this offseason and give it his when he comes back. It would be great motivation for our young players.

            My old 1SG used to state that "you always lead by example, just make sure to set the right one." Lets hope Justin Tuck sets the right one. our team sure could use it.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
              So you certainly know the difference between (1) a person who gives a 100% effort and for whatever reason (injuries, talent, bad luck, etc.) his performance output does not reflect that level of effort; and (2) a person who does not give 100% effort and his poor performance is directly due to that lack of effort.

              None of us knows the kind of work Tuck puts in behind the scenes -- in the weight room, the meeting rooms, in practice, in the offseason workouts, etc. All I am saying is that to say that a great Giants Champion isn't giving his full effort simply because he only had 4 sacks this year doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

              The guy has earned the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion, his body is not capable of producing on an every down basis anymore. Nothing to do with a lack of effort.
              You're right nobody knows the effort he puts forth in practice or the weight room. And I'm sure he is trying on the field during the game. He is just not getting the job done for whatever reason. And I don't want to hear about injury considering he wasn't on the injury report all year until the one week that he missed a game.
              #80

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              • #67
                tuck has the ability to be an all pro run dfender. he has the ability to be an all pro pass rusher. imo, he no longer has the ability to be both. his body just isnt holding up. JR/TC need to figure how using Tuck helps the team to the best chance of winning; as strictly a 1rst and 2nd down DE to play the run, or strictly as that osi type pass rush specialist...

                when he was used like osi had been used the past couple years vs philly week 17, tuck had his best game in 2 yrs, so imo, there actually still is a way we can get tuck back to an all pro level...only it will be in one aspect and not as a complete DE

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                  And you can tell the difference how?
                  How many times this past season did you see Tuck chase a RB down from behind? Or run across the field and make a tackle? He might've injured his shoulder, but those are two scenarios that he used to do often, which don't involve the shoulder, that he hasn't done the past two seasons.Those are plays you make when you want to be there.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by BlueReign View Post
                    How many times this past season did you see Tuck chase a RB down from behind? Or run across the field and make a tackle? He might've injured his shoulder, but those are two scenarios that he used to do often, which don't involve the shoulder, that he hasn't done the past two seasons.Those are plays you make when you want to be there.
                    I'm sorry but I must withdraw from this argument in order to preserve my mental health.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                      I'm sorry but I must withdraw from this argument in order to preserve my mental health.
                      Agree to disagree I guess. Suggest you go back and watch the games again.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by BlueReign View Post
                        Agree to disagree I guess. Suggest you go back and watch the games again.
                        Ha ha . . . my entire argument is that you can't judge a guy's effort by simply looking at his performance on tv. Thanks for the laugh!

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                          Ha ha . . . my entire argument is that you can't judge a guy's effort by simply looking at his performance on tv. Thanks for the laugh!
                          Then we can't jude Eli or anybody else by that logic.
                          Mood: WOOF!

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Joe Morrison View Post
                            Real Pro Bowl Players are there year after year, they don't take time off and whine, sure he got dinged up but the real ones play through it, think Justin has passed up on his dreams of greatness.
                            agreed

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                            • #74
                              I'm not going to disagree with anyone who thinks Tuck had a poor season in 2012.

                              However, this guy was a huge reason why the Giants won 2 Super Bowls.....so if anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, he does.
                              "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                              "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
                                I'm not going to disagree with anyone who thinks Tuck had a poor season in 2012.However, this guy was a huge reason why the Giants won 2 Super Bowls.....so if anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, he does.
                                I tend to, and in this case really want to agree, but I don't know that you can discount the fact that he was equally as big a reason we missed the playoffs this year. It took brilliant coaching to motivate him back to par the end of last year which may well indicate that his ability it still there. He also showed flashes here and there this year. If its strictly motivation/drive then I can see him.coming out strong again. If its that PLUS a drop off in talent due to age than I fear our stable is quite thinner than we expected it would be at this point.

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