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  • #16
    Randy Moss was so good.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
      Randy Moss was so good.
      Incredible
      My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        I think Reese would look at this OP and, without regard to the "names" in the 3 year category, simply acknowledge Cruz is a special talent having already exceeded what some notable receivers took three years to accomplish and is nipping at the heels of those who are ahead of Cruz after three years. It won't be a question of do we want him, it will be a question of can we keep him.
        I was simply saying it's premature to list Cruz with the likes of Moss, Rice, etc.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
          Randy Moss was so good.
          Odd but good lol.
          No one remembers who came in second.

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          • #20
            We need to retain Cruz asap. He's a playmaker and a very good WR. Amazing we got him as a UDFA.

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            • #21
              those are some pretty cool numbers and stats and puts it in perspective because I didn't realize how impressive they were. However it's unfair to compare his numbers to others especially guys who started there careers years before his. The NFL has changed so much and passing is so much easier so recieving stats will be slightly inflated. I'm not bashing Cruz cuz I love him and hope we keep him long term and I'm sure we will but it's hard to compare some of those numbers. If anything it will make resigning him harder lol
              NYG

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              • #22
                Unless we draft ridiculously well or find some bargains, I highly doubt we re-sign both Cruz and Nicks. We have other pressing needs. I can't think of a team that has 2 top tier payed WRs. It's usually they have one guy with a big contract, and the second on his rookie/original contract. And when it's time to pay the second guy, they let the top paid WR go.
                http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                • #23
                  cruz is a top priorty for us we behind will beatty
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                  2015 season tbd

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                  • #24
                    he gets aligator arms though....right.....
                    "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                    You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                    • #25
                      Nicks on the field helps his numbers, I hope you know that. He disappeared at the end of the season when Nicks wasn't himself because teams focused on him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TuckandRolle View Post
                        Nicks on the field helps his numbers, I hope you know that. He disappeared at the end of the season when Nicks wasn't himself because teams focused on him.
                        201 yards and 4 TDs over the three games Nicks missed?

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                        • #27
                          Just for arguments sake (because I also firmly believe Cruz needs to remain a Giant)

                          Cruz had nearly a 500 yard drop (1 more td) than the year prior. Other than the last minute td pass against the skins, he didnt have the home run plays like the year prior against Seattle, Philly and the Jets for example. Most of those receivers listed increased their production as time went on, not decreased.

                          In September/early October Cruz was well on his way to hit 1500 yds again but definitely tailed off in the last half of the season. So whats the norm? Is he an 1,100 yd/season guy or a 1,500 yd season guy?

                          I think its reasonable to expect 1200 yds/season out of him, but I could also see him getting closer to that 1500 yd number i only by fixing his sometimes concentration issues.

                          Im just wondering with his contract in the works, how far apart Cruz and the Giants actually are. I'd love to see him locked up for 7yrs/6-7 mil a year, but if the Cruz camp think he's the 1500 yd/season guy I'm afraid that the Giants might only get to sign him for a couple of years and then Cruz really looks for the "elite" contract before he hits 30.

                          Just spitballin.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                            Just for arguments sake (because I also firmly believe Cruz needs to remain a Giant)

                            Cruz had nearly a 500 yard drop (1 more td) than the year prior. Other than the last minute td pass against the skins, he didnt have the home run plays like the year prior against Seattle, Philly and the Jets for example. Most of those receivers listed increased their production as time went on, not decreased.

                            In September/early October Cruz was well on his way to hit 1500 yds again but definitely tailed off in the last half of the season. So whats the norm? Is he an 1,100 yd/season guy or a 1,500 yd season guy?

                            I think its reasonable to expect 1200 yds/season out of him, but I could also see him getting closer to that 1500 yd number i only by fixing his sometimes concentration issues.

                            Im just wondering with his contract in the works, how far apart Cruz and the Giants actually are. I'd love to see him locked up for 7yrs/6-7 mil a year, but if the Cruz camp think he's the 1500 yd/season guy I'm afraid that the Giants might only get to sign him for a couple of years and then Cruz really looks for the "elite" contract before he hits 30.

                            Just spitballin.
                            i dont look at it from a "how much he dropped off" perspective. I knew he wasn't going to match the 2011 yr statistically when the Nicks issue became clear. You can't gloss over how, while he did not produce the same numbers, he did still have an extremely productive year while often being completely focused on by defenses bc the lack of a threat Nicks became hobbled...if you really think about it, this past year is almost more impressive than 2011 in that, 2011 he had nicks taking massive amounts of attention off cruz. cruz had no such luxury this year, and still produced an exceptional year...

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                            • #29
                              Is there a particular reason that you've used the numbers rookie and sophomore numbers for Nicks and Bryant? Just curious.

                              I realize that Cruz was injured for the majority of the season and didn't truly have a rookie season, but then again, he didn't have a 'rookie season'. A little more time to grow and familiarize with the playbook before being actually thrown out there, didn't play with the injuries that Nicks and Bryant did, and so on and so forth.

                              He would still lead in most categories

                              Cruz: 168 Rec 2,628 YDS 274 Targets 19 TDs
                              Nicks: 155 Rec 2,244 YDS 261 Targets 18 TDs
                              Dez: 155 Rec 2,310 YDS 241 Targets 21 TDs

                              Averages--
                              Cruz: 82 yds/gm 5.3 rec/gm 8.5 targets/game 15.6 yds/catch 9.59 yards/target .59 TDs/gm
                              Nicks: 80 yds/gm 5.5 rec/gm 9.3 targets/game 14.5 yds/catch 8.59 yards/target .64 TDs/gm
                              Dez: 74 yds/gm 5.0 rec/gm 7.7 targets/game 14.9 yds/catch 9.58 yards/target .67 TDs/gm

                              *edit: Numbers pulled from each players 2nd and 3rd years in the league.
                              Last edited by Ntegrase96; 01-24-2013, 10:46 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                                Just for arguments sake (because I also firmly believe Cruz needs to remain a Giant)

                                Cruz had nearly a 500 yard drop (1 more td) than the year prior. Other than the last minute td pass against the skins, he didnt have the home run plays like the year prior against Seattle, Philly and the Jets for example. Most of those receivers listed increased their production as time went on, not decreased.

                                In September/early October Cruz was well on his way to hit 1500 yds again but definitely tailed off in the last half of the season. So whats the norm? Is he an 1,100 yd/season guy or a 1,500 yd season guy?

                                I think its reasonable to expect 1200 yds/season out of him, but I could also see him getting closer to that 1500 yd number i only by fixing his sometimes concentration issues.

                                Im just wondering with his contract in the works, how far apart Cruz and the Giants actually are. I'd love to see him locked up for 7yrs/6-7 mil a year, but if the Cruz camp think he's the 1500 yd/season guy I'm afraid that the Giants might only get to sign him for a couple of years and then Cruz really looks for the "elite" contract before he hits 30.

                                Just spitballin.
                                Cruz is better with a healthy Nicks on the field and Nicks is better with Cruz on the field.
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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