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  • No no trades. Giants can do more with better scheming. Giants also need help in other ereas real bad. I rather them get the O-line fixed. If we can run out the clock in a lead, it can be like the defense keeping the opposition's offense off the field.

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    • Originally posted by AllHailEli View Post
      That's the beauty of football and non guaranteed contracts. Take a risk in an area where we are deficient, roll the dice, and maybe he trains as hard as "All Day" AP!
      The thing is that Revis wants $60m GUARANTEED.

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      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
        The thing is that Revis wants $60m GUARANTEED.
        What he wants and what we offer are two different things. If the Jets want to offload him, we get the Jets a viable offer for next year and see what happens. Try before you buy! If he's good next year then maybe he is worth it and we tackle it in free agency the year after. If he is a dud, then we lost some guys in the secondary who were badly burned anyway and a draft pick. Reese picks winners in the late rounds anyway so giving up a first round is nothing....the Jets will pick a Blair Thomas with the pick anyway.

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        • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
          Smith has only been effective since his role was scaled back. Harbaugh disguised his (many) weaknesses.

          Don't forget that Sanchez has also taken his team to conference championships. Him and Smith are equally adept at riding defenses.
          It is kind of amazing that when Alex Smith plays in a high percentage short and middle passing offense, it is Jim Harbaugh that “disguised” his “weaknesses” but when RG III plays in a dink and dunk high percentage offense put together by Mike Shannahan, RG III is an awesome player.

          I am not claiming that this has been your stance but so many people make one point without the other.

          As of right now, Colin Kapernick has taken San Francisco 49ers one game further than Alex Smith did last year. Now, I like Colin Kapernick and he is doing an awesome job but I think they would still be going to SuperBowl if Alex Smith were their starter.

          Alex Smith is a damn good QB. Comparing him to Mark Sanchez is ridiculous.
          Last edited by BuffyBlueII; 01-25-2013, 12:24 PM.

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          • Originally posted by AllHailEli View Post
            What he wants and what we offer are two different things. If the Jets want to offload him, we get the Jets a viable offer for next year and see what happens. Try before you buy! If he's good next year then maybe he is worth it and we tackle it in free agency the year after. If he is a dud, then we lost some guys in the secondary who were badly burned anyway and a draft pick. Reese picks winners in the late rounds anyway so giving up a first round is nothing....the Jets will pick a Blair Thomas with the pick anyway.
            Then we lose either a 1st or a couple other draft picks on a player that is only here for 1 year? No offense, but that's effin' stupid.

            Also, you're waaaaaay off base thinking that Reese misses early. Out of the 13 players he's drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds only 3 you can haven't panned out, Ross (even though he played major roles in both SB titles, was still disappointing), Sintim, and Austin (the jury is still out, but the verdict isn't looking good).


            2007) 1) Ross
            2) Steve Smith

            2008) 1) KP
            2) TT

            2009: 1) Nicks
            2a) Sintim
            2b) Beatty


            2010: 1)JPP
            2) Joseph


            2011: 1) Prince
            2) Austin.

            2012: 1) Wilson
            2) Randle

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            • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
              It is kind of amazing that when Alex Smith plays in a high percentage short and middle passing offense, it is Jim Harbaugh that “disguised” his “weaknesses” but when RG III plays in a dink and dunk high percentage offense put together by Mike Shannahan, RG III is an awesome player.

              I am not claiming that this has been your stance but so many people make one point without the other.

              As of right now, Colin Kapernick has taken San Francisco 49ers one game further than Alex Smith did last year. Now, I like Colin Kapernick and he is doing an awesome job but I think they would still be going to SuperBowl if Alex Smith were their starter.

              Alex Smith is a damn good QB.
              Alex Smith is hardly above average. There's a difference between hiding the deficiencies of an 8 year veteran by a short passing game and that of a rookie still learning the NFL. If they are still doing that in RG III's 7th year, then you'll hear talk about his skill as a passer and QB.

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              • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                Alex Smith is hardly above average. There's a difference between hiding the deficiencies of an 8 year veteran by a short passing game and that of a rookie still learning the NFL. If they are still doing that in RG III's 7th year, then you'll hear talk about his skill as a passer and QB.
                You can argue as to whether or not Smith is average or above average. I think clearly he is at least somewhat above average. But regardless of that, there are probably 50 QB's in the NFL better than Sanchez, including Drew Stanton, who they traded away to make room for Tebow.
                In other words, the Jets would be substantially better with Alex Smith. The difference between the two is huge.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                  You can argue as to whether or not Smith is average or above average. I think clearly he is at least somewhat above average. But regardless of that, there are probably 50 QB's in the NFL better than Sanchez, including Drew Stanton, who they traded away to make room for Tebow.
                  In other words, the Jets would be substantially better with Alex Smith. The difference between the two is huge.
                  I don't think the difference is as large as you think. Smith is better, but I don't think by much. You have to remember, Smith had a MUCH better offensive team around him than Sanchez. I don't think Smith on the Jets is terribly more successful than Sanchez. I think you'll see some bad habits creep back in Smith's game.

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                  • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                    It is kind of amazing that when Alex Smith plays in a high percentage short and middle passing offense, it is Jim Harbaugh that “disguised” his “weaknesses” but when RG III plays in a dink and dunk high percentage offense put together by Mike Shannahan, RG III is an awesome player.

                    I am not claiming that this has been your stance but so many people make one point without the other.

                    As of right now, Colin Kapernick has taken San Francisco 49ers one game further than Alex Smith did last year. Now, I like Colin Kapernick and he is doing an awesome job but I think they would still be going to SuperBowl if Alex Smith were their starter.

                    Alex Smith is a damn good QB.
                    I'm not saying he's bad - he isn't, I'm saying that he didn't really turn a corner until the game was taken out of his hands, and given to the run game and defense. With less pressure on him, his careful playing style became more effective.

                    Smith can run an offense, but he can't carry one.

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                    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                      Alex Smith is hardly above average. There's a difference between hiding the deficiencies of an 8 year veteran by a short passing game and that of a rookie still learning the NFL. If they are still doing that in RG III's 7th year, then you'll hear talk about his skill as a passer and QB.
                      Alex Smith is way above average. Average QBs don’t do what he did in that playoff game against New Orleans Saints.

                      7th year? I will be highly surprised if RG III is relevant after 3 seasons. Yes, he is a great runner but unlike Mike Vick, he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm, he has a noodle arm.

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                      • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                        I'm not saying he's bad - he isn't, I'm saying that he didn't really turn a corner until the game was taken out of his hands, and given to the run game and defense. With less pressure on him, his careful playing style became more effective.

                        Smith can run an offense, but he can't carry one.
                        In all fairness to Alex Smith, the entire team was not doing very well before Jim Harbaugh took over.

                        He carried that offense and took over that game against New Orleans Saints in playoffs. The same New Orleans Saints that annhilated us earlier that year in regular season on MNF.

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                        • I rather Giants trade down to get more players.

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                          • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                            I'm not saying he's bad - he isn't, I'm saying that he didn't really turn a corner until the game was taken out of his hands, and given to the run game and defense. With less pressure on him, his careful playing style became more effective.

                            Smith can run an offense, but he can't carry one.
                            You are underrating Smith tremendously.
                            He's been a very accurate passer, calm under fire, he protects the ball and PROVED that he can make great individual plays in the clutch.
                            Again....He's no Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, but he's a good QB and his mobility would also be an asset to the Jets.

                            Sanchez on the other hand is just plain bad. He has regressed because he doesn't have the mental toughness that Smith has. Smith has been through a crapload of OC's, and HC's, and the kid still gets better.
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                              Then we lose either a 1st or a couple other draft picks on a player that is only here for 1 year? No offense, but that's effin' stupid.

                              Also, you're waaaaaay off base thinking that Reese misses early. Out of the 13 players he's drafted in the 1st and 2nd rounds only 3 you can haven't panned out, Ross (even though he played major roles in both SB titles, was still disappointing), Sintim, and Austin (the jury is still out, but the verdict isn't looking good).


                              2007) 1) Ross
                              2) Steve Smith

                              2008) 1) KP
                              2) TT

                              2009: 1) Nicks
                              2a) Sintim
                              2b) Beatty


                              2010: 1)JPP
                              2) Joseph


                              2011: 1) Prince
                              2) Austin.

                              2012: 1) Wilson
                              2) Randle
                              Here is my thought process
                              A) Reese picks winners. If he doesn't have a first round, he'll find it in the second. Don't give up later round picks, but give up dead weight that we currently have in the secondary
                              B) Let's not underestimate the power of a devastating corner (Deion, Mark Collins, Ronnie Lott, even Sehorn for few years).
                              C) Giving up a first round isn't going to break the bank here. This isn't Isiah Thomas with the Knicks giving up years of picks.
                              D) Remember the Jets put it out there. We aren't begging for a corner. We are in the position of power...why do you have us giving up later round picks, etc? If the Jets say no, we move on--plain and simple.
                              E) The conversation is probably moot (though entertaining)...,Jets would never trade Revis (even an ACL Revis) to either the Pats or Giants. If we do well with him, the Press would be too bad for them, and we all know Press is the one thing that the Jets do put some effort into :-) .

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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                You are underrating Smith tremendously.
                                He's been a very accurate passer, calm under fire, he protects the ball and PROVED that he can make great individual plays in the clutch.
                                Again....He's no Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, but he's a good QB and his mobility would also be an asset to the Jets.

                                Sanchez on the other hand is just plain bad. He has regressed because he doesn't have the mental toughness that Smith has. Smith has been through a crapload of OC's, and HC's, and the kid still gets better.
                                That is the exact same thing that impresses me so much about Alex Smith. He has been through so many changes and he continues to improve and the guy is cool under pressure. He would be a great asset to NY Jets but I am not so sure that he would agree to play for that circus team.

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