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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    You are underrating Smith tremendously.
    He's been a very accurate passer, calm under fire, he protects the ball and PROVED that he can make great individual plays in the clutch.
    Again....He's no Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, but he's a good QB and his mobility would also be an asset to the Jets.

    Sanchez on the other hand is just plain bad. He has regressed because he doesn't have the mental toughness that Smith has. Smith has been through a crapload of OC's, and HC's, and the kid still gets better.
    Smith is fine, he's just... middling. If 14 touchdowns and 5 interceptions is what you want from a quarterback, then fine, take him. You just better make sure the rest of your team is sound because you'll be going nowhere if it isn't.


    Yes, I think we can all agree that Sanchez is comparable to chewing gum you find stuck to the underside of a bus stop bench.

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    • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
      Smith is fine, he's just... middling. If 14 touchdowns and 5 interceptions is what you want from a quarterback, then fine, take him. You just better make sure the rest of your team is sound because you'll be going nowhere if it isn't.


      Yes, I think we can all agree that Sanchez is comparable to chewing gum you find stuck to the underside of a bus stop bench.
      In a little over 8 games. His numbers extend out to about 25 TD's and 9 Int's. (He actually had 13 TD's) And he had a 70% completion %.
      That's pretty damned good actually. Better than "you know who".
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Alex Smith is an accurate passer. He won't win you a game very often,but he will almost never lose a game for you. West Coast offense fits him perfectly. When he's in that offense, he is above average,when you want him to throw the ball downfield, he struggles. You've also got to account for the fact that this kid has been through multiple coordinators and was never really given a chance to settle down and get comfortable (minus the past year and a half, and we saw what he did with that). With that being said, people are calling him below average because of his early years when the coaching staffs were in constant flux and these preconceived notions make it hard for many to realize how impressive he has been under Harbaugh.

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          In a little over 8 games. His numbers extend out to about 25 TD's and 9 Int's. (He actually had 13 TD's) And he had a 70% completion %.
          That's pretty damned good actually. Better than "you know who".
          Short, high percentage passes - Harbaugh catering to Smith's strengths. He took a back seat and was allowed to pick his spots. He must've averaged around, what 20 passes and 200 yards per game? Adequate, but not really ideal for most teams' configurations. Admittedly, he did hit paydirt with more regularity this season. Good for him.


          Wow, how'd this turn into an Alex Smith discussion?
          Last edited by Flip Empty; 01-25-2013, 12:27 PM.

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          • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
            It is kind of amazing that when Alex Smith plays in a high percentage short and middle passing offense, it is Jim Harbaugh that “disguised” his “weaknesses” but when RG III plays in a dink and dunk high percentage offense put together by Mike Shannahan, RG III is an awesome player.

            I am not claiming that this has been your stance but so many people make one point without the other.

            As of right now, Colin Kapernick has taken San Francisco 49ers one game further than Alex Smith did last year. Now, I like Colin Kapernick and he is doing an awesome job but I think they would still be going to SuperBowl if Alex Smith were their starter.

            Alex Smith is a damn good QB. Comparing him to Mark Sanchez is ridiculous.
            I have to agree. I can't see anyone comparing Smith to Sanchez right now. Unlike Smith, Sanchez is a broken QB.

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            • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
              Short, high percentage passes - Harbaugh catering to Smith's strengths. He took a back seat and was allowed to pick his spots. He must've averaged around, what 20 passes and 200 yards per game? Adequate, but not really ideal for most teams' configurations. Admittedly, he did hit paydirt with more regularity this season. Good for him.


              Wow, how'd this turn into an Alex Smith discussion?
              Actually...no. He averaged a little over 26 attempt/game. And 208 yards/game. He averaged 1.5 TD's game and had a 70% comp. %. With a average to below average WR corps. Plus he ran for yards as well.
              He's actually a pretty good QB.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                Actually...no. He averaged a little over 26 attempt/game. And 208 yards/game. He averaged 1.5 TD's game and had a 70% comp. %. With a average to below average WR corps. Plus he ran for yards as well.
                He's actually a pretty good QB.
                I can't tell whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. I guessed "around 20/200"; the actual numbers are 26/208. I say "middling," you say "1.5 TDs per game".

                What is the argument here?


                And why do you keep telling me he's a good QB? Please show me where I said he wasn't.

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                • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                  I can't tell whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. I guessed "around 20/200"; the actual numbers are 26/208. I say "middling," you say "1.5 TDs per game".

                  What is the argument here?


                  And why do you keep telling me he's a good QB? Please show me where I said he wasn't.
                  Well it was really njg85 who started with his claim that Sanchez and Smith are equal. You kind of picked up the argument that Smith was average. Your arguments are downplaying Smith as a QB.
                  At least that's the way it seemed to me.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Originally posted by BlueReign View Post
                    Alex Smith is an accurate passer. He won't win you a game very often,but he will almost never lose a game for you. West Coast offense fits him perfectly. When he's in that offense, he is above average,when you want him to throw the ball downfield, he struggles. You've also got to account for the fact that this kid has been through multiple coordinators and was never really given a chance to settle down and get comfortable (minus the past year and a half, and we saw what he did with that). With that being said, people are calling him below average because of his early years when the coaching staffs were in constant flux and these preconceived notions make it hard for many to realize how impressive he has been under Harbaugh.
                    You bring up some really good points but the fact so many QBs have flourished under Harbaugh (Luck, Smith, and now Kaepernick) would lead one to believe that the guy is just really good in putting his QB in the best situations for his skillset. Luck was given more freedom with reads and making risky throws at Stanford which really says it all for me. Maybe he was messed up with all of these coordinators but a #1 overall draft pick is supposed to rise above such issues. He would be treated in a better light if he was a later round selection.

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      Well it was really njg85 who started with his claim that Sanchez and Smith are equal. You kind of picked up the argument that Smith was average. Your arguments are downplaying Smith as a QB.
                      At least that's the way it seemed to me.
                      MS criticizing a poster that downplays a QB’s accomplishments? Never. lol........

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                      • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                        You bring up some really good points but the fact so many QBs have flourished under Harbaugh (Luck, Smith, and now Kaepernick) would lead one to believe that the guy is just really good in putting his QB in the best situations for his skillset. Luck was given more freedom with reads and making risky throws at Stanford which really says it all for me. Maybe he was messed up with all of these coordinators but a #1 overall draft pick is supposed to rise above such issues. He would be treated in a better light if he was a later round selection.
                        Oh without a doubt being selected #1 brings a lot of pressure, and I can see where you are coming from with Harbaugh putting his players in good situations because the guy may be a jerk off, but he is a hell of a coach. Either way Smith is out the door this off season and I believe that the Jets should kick the tires on Smith since they picked up Marty.

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                        • Originally posted by BlueReign View Post
                          Oh without a doubt being selected #1 brings a lot of pressure, and I can see where you are coming from with Harbaugh putting his players in good situations because the guy may be a jerk off, but he is a hell of a coach. Either way Smith is out the door this off season and I believe that the Jets should kick the tires on Smith since they picked up Marty.
                          I am sure that signing Alex Smith will be high on their list of priorities but I doubt that he goes there. I see Alex Smith going to either Arizona or Kansas City. NY Jets will probably sign Mike Vick.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            ACL injuries effect corners much more than any other position. The strain on your knees when you are a press corner and pure cover guy like Revis is huge. He was certainly great before the injury and a true shut down corner, but its a huge risk to trade a lot of value for him.
                            I would see your point if he didn't go down with that knee, but he did. And that changes everything.

                            You watch...if they trade him it will be for no more than a 2nd round pick.
                            Smith is a little bit better, but not much IMO.

                            Sanchez proved he could make big plays when he had a solid supporting cast around him. Let's not forget some of those big plays he made late in games over the 2010 season that were the difference between L's and W's. Key words being: Supporting cast. Look back at the same period when Sanchez was making those plays, Alex Smith had no one protecting him and he looked just as bad as Sanchez did this season.

                            I do agree that Smith is better, but I think if you had him under center for the Jets this year instead of Sanchez -- he would have looked almost as bad.

                            Game managers are a product of their environment.

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                            • No
                              No one remembers who came in second.

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                              • Originally posted by jomo View Post
                                No
                                We need to find you some 1 letter answers now
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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