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  • #31
    the Giants D needs to improve all the way around. If they have another year 2012 it wont matter if Osi is on the team or not.
    Osi is not the make or break for this defense. The defense can be crappy with or without and if thy improve then can be very good with or without him
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    • #32
      Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
      Osi could surprise everyone an take a very organization friendly discounted long term contract. He has said before he wants to retire here but its a business and it takes two to come to terms. If reese is low balling then of course he walks but If it reasonable I think he would be inclined to stay.
      Im still trying to find the article where osi stated "He is looking for Top 5 DE money."
      I'm not sure Osi ever said that, much like Cruz has never said $8 - 10M. Here's an old article where the author suggests his agent was looking for top DE money
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #33
        Originally posted by GameTime View Post
        the Giants D needs to improve all the way around. If they have another year 2012 it wont matter if Osi is on the team or not.
        Osi is not the make or break for this defense. The defense can be crappy with or without and if thy improve then can be very good with or without him
        His best contribution in 2013 might be financial if they release him and fill his shoes for less $
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #34
          Originally posted by GameTime View Post
          Comer on John....no need to be that PC......
          Thats now 6 and 2 season ago........time to move on.....thanks Osi....good luck
          What purpose would it serve to say anything different than what he said?

          These types of things are what make the Giants a class organization.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
            What purpose would it serve to say anything different than what he said?

            These types of things are what make the Giants a class organization.
            The important part of Mara's comment was there are "financial considerations." Osi isn't going to get another $41 M contract
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #36
              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              I'm not sure Osi ever said that, much like Cruz has never said $8 - 10M. Here's an old article where the author suggests his agent was looking for top DE money

              Thanks RF. I don't think the article linked, but like you said Osi has never made any monetary demands... yet. Most people are just still fuming off the words written in the affidavit and take the dialogue described in that document as Osi talking to himself.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                the Giants D needs to improve all the way around. If they have another year 2012 it wont matter if Osi is on the team or not.
                Osi is not the make or break for this defense. The defense can be crappy with or without and if thy improve then can be very good with or without him
                +1
                If they let him go fine, I just hope they have his replacement in the wing or the draft prospect they have in mind is there and becomes that type of player. the grass is not always greener.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  The important part of Mara's comment was there are "financial considerations." Osi isn't going to get another $41 M contract
                  Agreed

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                    Osi has always been bad against the run, even in 2007, but it was masked with the DT play pushing the OB back racking up the totals for Osi, Plus they were doubling Strahan so he got one v ones. Now everyone wants to point it out? he was bad against the run in 2010 as well but that was masked with the FF's. can't please everyone man, he was relegated to situational pass rusher and the rest of the Line didn't help at all. He is a speed rusher, he is not going to be good against the run if his assignment is to get to the QB rather than contain the edge.

                    He is known for being soft against the run, and even mccoy pointed it out. However this year he was completely blowing his assignment to contain the outside. He would get fooled on the play action and give up huge plays to the outside. He didnt get pressure. And I pretty much look at him as a starter. Im not going to compare him to tuck because in my opinion tuck was the worst starting player on our defense last year. Thats basically your assignment go after the QB and contain your gap. As a DE the coach doesnt tell you go get after the QB. Dont worry about containing the edge.

                    Osi did not start, this is apart of my argument, he was not starting all season, rotaitonal and still did better than tuck and as far as what Osi's job is he got to the QB almost as much as JPP.
                    Jpp didnt have a good season either but he played the run way better.


                    Again Go back to 2009-2010 what changed in the defense besides Fewell becoming the new DC? the scheme, almost 95% of the same personnel and they were a way better defense altogether than the 2009 unit.
                    didnt we lead the league in sacks or turnovers during PF"s first year? (or close to it) and didnt we have a rep for knocking qb's out of games? Remember that night when we had 9 sacks on Cutler in the first half and knocked him out? Didnt we take romo out for the year? The defense was balling. We were a like a top 7 defense that year. We didnt make the playoffs because of the turnovers on offense. Eli had 31 by himself that year.. But Our defense was very good during PF's first year.


                    Don't know about that DE is easy comment either I watched my friends prepare for it at the high school and college level nothing easy about it, nothing straight forward about it, responsibility wise or ability wise. I can only imagine the stress at the pro level.
                    DE is the most straight forward position In football because it doesnt require much thinking. You put your hands in the ground and run at the QB. I played TE and DE in my first year of high school. we didnt have much players on our Junior Varsity team so a lot us had to play both sides of the ball often. We ran the ball a lot on offense so when i was in at TE i mostly blocked. My junior year i was moved to safety and played 1 season there before i quit the team. From my experience I would definitely say playing DE and (possibly DT) may take the most endurance. But responsibility wise its literally "Straight forward" Even JPP said something similar.

                    I dont remember his exact words but i remember him saying something like "He loves playing on the D line because he loves to get at the QB and you dont have to think much. He also said he would rather play DE than DT. I dont have a link to it but ill try to google and see if i can find it. Again i dont know the exact words but i do remember him saying something like that maybe last season or the season before.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...turn-to-giants

                      Excerpt: "Has Osi Umenyiora played his final game as a member of the New York Giants? Team co-owner John Mara isn't willing to say so. At least publicly.

                      "I don't know about that," Mara said, according to ESPNNewYork.com. "We'll see what happens. I would love to have him back. He's been a great player for us. He's a great guy. He's been a huge part of our two Super Bowl wins, but there are economic considerations and we'll just have to see what happens."

                      After the Giants' season ended, Umenyiora told a New York radio station he believed it was "time to move on."
                      "I've earned the right to be a free agent," Umenyiora said. "It's been 10 years. I signed a seven-year deal, and they made me play out all seven of those years. If they wanted me back, I think something would have been done before now." Read more...
                      Yes.....but I do.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                        1. Osi is not a LDE he is a RDE always has been its a different type of issue going from facing the LT to the RT. you are not always going to get the same production, JPP plays better on the RDE than the LDE so i don't know how this statement "Osi suppose to be good enough to be a menance cause JPP was on the other side and I bet he got doubled so why Osi had a hard time?" is even relevant.

                        2."Now he hardly win those and is no longer worth a lot of money wich he wants." "even enough for him to get a lot of money wich he wants," do you have a link to the statments Osi made where he states he wants a certain amount of money and before you go off and get me the affidavit stuff thats what reese told Osi not Osi asking for that. So please cause i have been looking, provide me the article where Osi himself said he wants this specific amount of money. thanks

                        3. "Well he needs a good scheme to help him to come free at the qb a lot of times like in the past." Sad thing Is same fans like you and others on here wanted Osi and Tuck gone in 2009 when we had sheridan then in 2010 when Osi had 10 FF's you all were lining up with puckered lips. Give him more time to get going instead of one play then come out he can produce, give him DT's that can push the line back essentially pushing the QB deeper into the pocket, Linebackers and DL stop the damn run so we make the offense one dimensional and watch Old Osi Tee off. Frankly its annoying listening to you people tear down players that give their bodies for our enjoyment, You people want to just blame one person, point fingers, Its no different from fire Coughlin, fire gilbride, fire fewell, fire mara.

                        Cool i'm done on the subject the only reason I want Osi to go now is so that I can stop reading/hearing all your whining about it, so that I don't feel compelled to defend a player, I am not getting paid for this screw it.
                        lol......you're a child. As I read your little temper tantrums I can't help but picture you in your footie PJ's, blankey one hand and sippy cup in the other, stomping your feet and demanding someone listen to you.

                        You got told to grow up because you started calling people "haters" before the debate even got started.
                        I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                          I'll take that, you can go hide your stained reese photo's while you're at it and don't forget to put your the lotion back on the counter.
                          Tell others to grow up based on opinion of a player or any player shows your maturity level, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black don't you think?

                          Osi still has some left in the tank, think back to the year sheridan was here how horrid osi's number was which matched his non starting limited involvement in the grand scheme of that defense, then the next year he had a great season, same situation. The whole defense sucked creating a domino effect thart even hampered JPP's production, a retooled scheme and a long term contract can change a lot as we have seen going from a Sheridan defense to a Fewell.

                          If you can't provide a solid debate outside of the childish grow up antics, go back to what you were doing before we interrupted you
                          If you are going to act like a child and start calling people haters then "grow up" is what you get. My points are solid and I stand behind them.

                          The ONLY way Osi comes back is if he finds out no other team is going to over pay for him.
                          I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                          • #43
                            The average salaries of the top 5 DE's in the league are above $12 million per year. I think Osi is expecting somewhere near $12 million, basically doubling his Giants salary for 2012.

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                            • #44
                              I think Osi's going to be hugely disappointed in the free agent market. His inability to play the run, and the way he totally disappears for a whole games some times doesn't make him worth much to most teams. If he gets any more than his current Giants salary I'd be surprised. When the buzz all around the league, and on every pre-ame show you watch is how Osi has declined in 2012, I seriously doubt he's going to have a whole lot of teams calling. He could end up back with the Giants; but it would have to be at a salary that recognizes he's not a three down player, and his sack production is in rapid decline.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                                lol......you're a child. As I read your little temper tantrums I can't help but picture you in your footie PJ's, blankey one hand and sippy cup in the other, stomping your feet and demanding someone listen to you.

                                You got told to grow up because you started calling people "haters" before the debate even got started.
                                Have you been around the boards this past year. It is quite clear that there are Osi haters here. Probably more than any other player. It's actually quite a fair assessment. Your immaturity and name calling really isn't necessary. You are the one that needs to grow up!
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