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  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    Please provide evidence where he said (not some beat writer) that he wants top dollar money. Thanks.
    If he doesn't want that huge contract wouldn't he have signed one right now, duh!
    It's not like contract talks just started yesterday this has been going on since during the season.

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    • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
      If he doesn't want that huge contract wouldn't he have signed one right now, duh!
      It's not like contract talks just started yesterday this has been going on since during the season.
      That's not how it works..
      Mood: WOOF!

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      • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
        That's not how it works..
        It's obvious he wants more money than the Giants are willing to pay him. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this debate.

        you know how it works? what are you Cruz's agent? tell him im still waiting on a Retweet lol.

        Contract talks have been ongoing, he got offers, I am sure he probably rejected those offers cause they were not up to par with the going rate in the league for a 2 time 1000 yard receiver, I love cruz like any other but you have to chose when it comes to these situations cap room for the betterment of the team or the player for the betterment of the JOHN BROWN team.

        you are just to attached missy

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        • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
          If he doesn't want that huge contract wouldn't he have signed one right now, duh!
          It's not like contract talks just started yesterday this has been going on since during the season.
          Reese doesn't jump, he navigates. He's dealing with 20+ in-house free agents. The only easy ones are the ERFA's who have to take or leave vet minimum and if they leave it, they exit the NFL.

          No contract is done in a vacuum when CAP space is tight, which it always is for us. Reese has to put all the pieces of the puzzle together and make Cruz the best offer he can. Cruz doesn't seem to me to be one to make outlandish demands. He knows what he has in the team, his roots and other business ventures are local.

          There are no guarantees in life, but I'd be surprised if Reese and Cruz don't agree on a long term deal.
          Last edited by RoanokeFan; 01-27-2013, 04:24 PM.
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
            If we have to give up Cruz to ensure Beatty stays and we get a competent O-line, then yes, I do believe that the 1000 yard dropoff in production could be made up spread across receivers. Remember that Cruz has gotten the production he has with the absolute crappiest O-line the Giants have ever had these past 2 years. With an O-line worth a damn and Eli being able to focus more on finding the open receiver than worrying about the pass rush all the time, he'd be able to be a lot more lethal with a lot less in the way of weaponry...

            That said, I hope Cruz stays.
            Ding! logic prevails

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            • Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
              If we have to give up Cruz to ensure Beatty stays and we get a competent O-line, then yes, I do believe that the 1000 yard dropoff in production could be made up spread across receivers. Remember that Cruz has gotten the production he has with the absolute crappiest O-line the Giants have ever had these past 2 years. With an O-line worth a damn and Eli being able to focus more on finding the open receiver than worrying about the pass rush all the time, he'd be able to be a lot more lethal with a lot less in the way of weaponry...

              That said, I hope Cruz stays.
              Beatty really is the underrated #1 priority in my opinion too. LT is arguably the 3rd most important position in today's league (you can look at how often they are drafted in the 1st round in the modern NFL). With the exception of some harmful holding penalties, the guy played at a top 5 level and also has really nice run blocking for a LT. If we lose him, we'd pretty much be forced to take one in the 1st this year unless we want to go back to the Diehl saga.

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              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                Reese doesn't jump, he navigates. He's dealing with 20+ in-house free agents. The only easy ones are the ERFA's who have to take or leave vet minimum and if they leave it, they exit the NFL.

                No contract is done in a vacuum when CAP space is tight, which it always is for us. Reese has to put all the pieces of the puzzle together and make Cruz the best offer he can. Cruz doesn't seem to me to be one to make outlandish demands. He knows what he has in the team, his roots and other business ventures are local.

                There are no guarantees in life, but I'd be surprised if Reese and Cruz don't agree on a long term deal.
                Every person is not the same and Reese maybe figured it out already. He has got to look at the players down the line cause time is going to pass and more contracts will need to be made or players let go if there is no agreement.

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  Reese doesn't jump, he navigates. He's dealing with 20+ in-house free agents. The only easy ones are the ERFA's who have to take or leave vet minimum and if they leave it, they exit the NFL.

                  No contract is done in a vacuum when CAP space is tight, which it always is for us. Reese has to put all the pieces of the puzzle together and make Cruz the best offer he can. Cruz doesn't seem to me to be one to make outlandish demands. He knows what he has in the team, his roots and other business ventures are local.

                  There are no guarantees in life, but I'd be surprised if Reese and Cruz don't agree on a long term deal.
                  I would be surprised to, but you are not going to tell me based off interview a smile and some salsa dances; You know off merit cruz is not that type of guy to want a big pay day. frankly we do not know what cruz is aking for right, but a organizational friendly contract is not that cause its common sense, that's the first offer put on the table, and Cruz would of signed that by now. its logical to deduct that and then reason that he wants more, whats more? is the question and it's only fair to say more is alot.

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                  • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
                    It's obvious he wants more money than the Giants are willing to pay him. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this debate.

                    you know how it works? what are you Cruz's agent? tell him im still waiting on a Retweet lol.

                    Contract talks have been ongoing, he got offers, I am sure he probably rejected those offers cause they were not up to par with the going rate in the league for a 2 time 1000 yard receiver, I love cruz like any other but you have to chose when it comes to these situations cap room for the betterment of the team or the player for the betterment of the JOHN BROWN team.

                    you are just to attached missy
                    This thread has nothing to do with contract talks.
                    This has to do with his skill set and other players replicating his success.
                    And your last sentence is silly.
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
                      It's obvious he wants more money than the Giants are willing to pay him. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this debate.

                      you know how it works? what are you Cruz's agent? tell him im still waiting on a Retweet lol.

                      Contract talks have been ongoing, he got offers, I am sure he probably rejected those offers cause they were not up to par with the going rate in the league for a 2 time 1000 yard receiver, I love cruz like any other but you have to chose when it comes to these situations cap room for the betterment of the team or the player for the betterment of the JOHN BROWN team.

                      you are just to attached missy
                      I would be very surprised if Reese has already made an offer. He has a lot of work to do and no one else can offer Cruz a dime until March 12th.
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • RRS ( Reese the restructure specialist )

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                        • Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
                          Every person is not the same and Reese maybe figured it out already. He has got to look at the players down the line cause time is going to pass and more contracts will need to be made or players let go if there is no agreement.
                          If anything, certain players need to be cut who are eating away at the cap.
                          Mood: WOOF!

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                          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                            This thread has nothing to do with contract talks.
                            This has to do with his skill set and other players replicating his success.
                            And your last sentence is silly.
                            hmmmm.... what?
                            that's all i have been reading about on this thread is contract related stuff. should we pay him or not, that's JOHN BROWN contract talk missy!
                            I told you before he is alot receiver that probably feel he deserves #1 receiver money, he probably does just not here.
                            and my last sentence is not silly you have a mini crush on cruz, highlight by your many posts of the player, your a chick and your JOHN BROWN avatar
                            plus you said you did in one of my post.

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                            • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                              I'm really not concerned that Cruz will play somewhere else next year (or for several years after). He's brought much, much more to the Giants organization as a whole in the past 2 seasons than Smith, Boss, Jacobs ever did, yet comparisons to the FA experiences of those 3 continue to come up in all these Cruz threads the past month.He adds to the "face of the franchise" in ways that those 3 never did, thus bringing more to the consideration than mere stats (as superior as they've been).So many seem to assume Cruz will be asking for "Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald-like" compensation, which Cruz has never even hinted at, and which is ****ing ridiculous to assume.Just think back over the past 10 years or so, and see if anyone can come up with an instance of Giants not making a very competitive--even an outright aggressive--bid to retain a key player considered to be crucial to continued Giants success. And no, Smith, Jacobs, Boss, Ross, an aging Osi,,even Cofield, do not qualify as being in the same discussion as Cruz in this case.While I agree that Cruz is not worth a C Johnson or Fitzgerald contract, I also say this is a specious comparison--a straw argument--because nowhere except on this board has that possibility ever been raised.Cruz will be extended with the Giants this off season. Nicks is an entirely separate decision, and does not have to be dealt with for another year. His 2013 season--and the Giants' 2013 season-- will go a long way to determining how that negotiation pans out.
                              Cruz doesnt have to be dealt with longterm either until next year...we can tender him.

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                              • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
                                hmmmm.... what?
                                that's all i have been reading about on this thread is contract related stuff. should we pay him or not, that's JOHN BROWN contract talk missy!
                                I told you before he is alot receiver that probably feel he deserves #1 receiver money, he probably does just not here.
                                and my last sentence is not silly you have a mini crush on cruz, highlight by your many posts of the player, your a chick and your JOHN BROWN avatar
                                plus you said you did in one of my post.
                                The OP had nothing to do with paying him.
                                And it is silly, because it has nothing to do with this post lol.
                                Mood: WOOF!

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