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  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    I would be very surprised if Reese has already made an offer. He has a lot of work to do and no one else can offer Cruz a dime until March 12th.
    Yeah? just like I was surprised of Reese's verbal agreement to Osi during the season. It's not outside of the realm that GM's try to secure assets before the time to do so, Cruz is a free agent, restricted sure but it would behoove reese to get the upper hand on the bidding before the sharks enter the water. come on RF we bonded in a PM don't be this naive.

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    • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
      I would be surprised to, but you are not going to tell me based off interview a smile and some salsa dances; You know off merit cruz is not that type of guy to want a big pay day. frankly we do not know what cruz is aking for right, but a organizational friendly contract is not that cause its common sense, that's the first offer put on the table, and Cruz would of signed that by now. its logical to deduct that and then reason that he wants more, whats more? is the question and it's only fair to say more is alot.
      He clearly wants and deserves a big pay day, no one is arguing that point. A fair contract is one both sides can live with, that's Reese's goal. It may or may not work out, but as I've said before, I would really be surprised if Reese has made a money offer this early. Donig that would make every other free agent up their asking price. All that does is make Reese's job a little more difficult.

      They are reportedly ready to sign Pascoe at something close to vet minimum. He needs to do as much of that as he can before publicly unloading a boat load of cash on Cruz. Tactics are sometimes more important than contract language and dollars.
      Last edited by RoanokeFan; 01-27-2013, 04:34 PM.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
        Yeah? just like I was surprised of Reese's verbal agreement to Osi during the season. It's not outside of the realm that GM's try to secure assets before the time to do so, Cruz is a free agent, restricted sure but it would behoove reese to get the upper hand on the bidding before the sharks enter the water. come on RF we bonded in a PM don't be this naive.
        Reese has 45 days to make his first offer. Once that's done, the rest happens very quickly.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
          The OP had nothing to do with paying him.
          And it is silly, because it has nothing to do with this post lol.
          you asked can i provide link to where Cruz said he deserves this? right
          I responded right ?
          you and others responded in line with that post about contract talks right?
          so now like some posts before me were talking about contract talks?
          Its a conversation sweetheart it evolves, keep up.

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          • Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
            I haven't seen anyone say that they think Cruz is easily replaceable. He is a heck of a talent and would be greatly missed if he went elsewhere...with that being said if he does go to another team we will find another option just like this team always does. People thought it was the end of the world when Steve Smith went to the Eagles and look what happened...we replaced him with an up and coming slot receiver who turned out to be better than he ever was. One player does not make or break a team inless you are talking about a franchise QB.
            That's fair, and I don't think losing Cruz would send the Giants in a 10 year offensive slump or anything.
            Mood: WOOF!

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            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
              If Cruz is asking for more than we can give him, then I can kind of see him looking elsewhere. I don't think that will happen (I hope it doesn't) but the NFL is a business, I get it.
              this is you right?
              case rested

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              • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
                you asked can i provide link to where Cruz said he deserves this? right
                I responded right ?
                you and others responded in line with that post about contract talks right?
                so now like some posts before me were talking about contract talks?
                Its a conversation sweetheart it evolves, keep up.
                I'm just saying the point of this post wasn't about contract negotiations.
                Sure it may have evolved into ludicrous discussion as most threads on here do.
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • Originally posted by Smith&Nicks View Post
                  this is you right?
                  case rested
                  I believe that says "Rudyy" at the top, yes that is me.
                  Mood: WOOF!

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                  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                    I believe that says "Rudyy" at the top, yes that is me.
                    nice comeback

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                    • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
                      Cruz doesnt have to be dealt with longterm either until next year...we can tender him.
                      True, but that makes it almost a certainty that Nicks or Cruz won't be here after 2013 due to CAP restrictions
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • Originally posted by GTGiantsFan View Post
                        97/1350/11 is better than Cruz, and he's the only option on the Bengals.
                        (AJ Green's stats last year)
                        I said the first two years.
                        Mood: WOOF!

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                        • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                          No I agree with you that no one on the roster really offers what Cruz does at the moment. Jernigan is probably the closest thing but he's more of a Randall Cobb type than a slot receiver in the mold of Cruz. I just think the offense could work as a collective unit to pick up the majority of the slack and it happens all the time in football when a player goes down or a superstar moves on.
                          You mean like how we saw about 1000 less receiving yards in 2012 vs 2011 when Nicks missed 3 games and under performed for several games after returning? These other receivers had their chances--many chances. What we saw was a good game from Randle, a good game from Barden, a good game from Hixon. As #3 and #4 receivers, they all had good moments intermittantly throughout the season, with Hixon being the most consistent when called upon.

                          But none of them showed any justification for this ridiculous argument that the Giants "system" will compensate for a potential loss of Cruz.

                          What makes this argument especially rich is that there have been so many, many threads here vilifying Gilbride--the coach most responsible for Giants' offensive "system" that would compensate for a loss of Cruz. YIKES!!

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                          • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                            . What we saw was a good game from Randle, a good game from Barden, a good game from Hixon. As #3 and #4 receivers, they all had good moments intermittantly throughout the season, with Hixon being the most consistent when called upon.

                            !
                            what does that tell you? They shouldnt have let nicks play injured because when he sat out guys like randel and barden stepped up.
                            Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                            ~Big Mike~

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                            • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                              You mean like how we saw about 1000 less receiving yards in 2012 vs 2011 when Nicks missed 3 games and under performed for several games after returning? These other receivers had their chances--many chances. What we saw was a good game from Randle, a good game from Barden, a good game from Hixon. As #3 and #4 receivers, they all had good moments intermittantly throughout the season, with Hixon being the most consistent when called upon.

                              But none of them showed any justification for this ridiculous argument that the Giants "system" will compensate for a potential loss of Cruz.

                              What makes this argument especially rich is that there have been so many, many threads here vilifying Gilbride--the coach most responsible for Giants' offensive "system" that would compensate for a loss of Cruz. YIKES!!
                              462 of those lost 1000 yards were placed into the run game instead this year and that doesn't even factor into possible ToP differences between the seasons and the argument that we relied too much upon a hobbled Nicks and Bradshaw when it was obvious they shouldn't have even played. There were games Nicks struggled to make any separation because of his knee and foot injuries. The situation was definitely salvageable.

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                              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                                So Cruz is only good because of the system he plays in?
                                No, Cruz is a good receiver that BENEFITS from the system he's in. There were people saying he should be making top 5 WR money like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald.. that is INSANE

                                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                Who else on the team has Cruz's talent?
                                Dominek Hixon is one, Rueben Randle has the talent as well.

                                Originally posted by TomCat_FIN View Post
                                In theory EVERY player is replaceable. JPP can be replaced, Eli can be replaced, Nicks could be replaced etc.

                                But just because someone could be replaced, doesn't mean it would be a wise move. Cruz has found a comfort zone with the Giants, he has develop great chemistry with the QB and is an ultimate professional.
                                Thanks for proving my point. Through the multiple games Nicks was out, several different receivers stepped up in his absence, and there is no question Nicks is the better receiver than Cruz. But you can't compare that to JPP and others on defense because in the offense, everything is based on timing and being in the right spot and making the right reads.

                                Listen, I'm not saying Cruz isn't a good receiver or important to the offense. All I'm saying is that he's not "irreplaceable", and not someone you should overpay when someone could step in his slot.

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