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  • #16
    Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
    Congrats to the other team that gets him.
    Hopefully in the NFC East as a constant reminder of what might have been.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • #17
      Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
      I respect your opinion Roanoke, but i disagree. We were the only team to give this kid a shot...if Jerry Reese makes him a fair offer and he out prices himself asking for Calvin Johnson type money then i think that's wrong. and i wasn't comparing the two situations. I meant if he leaves for mega money his career might take a downfall as he won't have Eli throwing him the ball anymore. Just like Smith's career took a ****

      Other teams, including the Jets were salivating when we had to bring in an emergency kicker which should have sent Cruz to the waiver wire. He'd had a minor hamstring issue so they were able to put him on IR for which they were investigated. Cruz wants to be here, but why should he take a one year deal at $2+M if there is a team willing to sign him long term for 5 times that amount for 4/5 years?
      Last edited by RoanokeFan; 01-26-2013, 05:15 PM.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #18
        my own feelings on this are that Cruz is a definite star in this league and will command big bucks just like any other high producing player and for that reason if I were him I would follow the money trail just like everybody else does. We have to remember that sometimes a players window for the big bucks is only there until the next injury and then it could be closed forever and then everything is what might have been. I want him to stay because we need him but if he walks I hope I will understand...

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        • #19
          I think if he goes to another team he could be exposed as another one of those guys who fit into this system and was complimented by the guys around him. He could very well be a flop elsewhere. He has definite value for the Giants; but if they lose him and still have Nicks and Randle, I don't see the end of the world. There's a reason Cruz went undrafted, and other teams saw his production when Nicks was playing when he shouldn't have been. If some other team throws big money at him, unfortunately we've got to let him go. We'll get some compensation in the draft, and we'll move on.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by NorwoodBlue View Post
            I think if he goes to another team he could be exposed as another one of those guys who fit into this system and was complimented by the guys around him. He could very well be a flop elsewhere. He has definite value for the Giants; but if they lose him and still have Nicks and Randle, I don't see the end of the world. There's a reason Cruz went undrafted, and other teams saw his production when Nicks was playing when he shouldn't have been. If some other team throws big money at him, unfortunately we've got to let him go. We'll get some compensation in the draft, and we'll move on.
            The reason he went undrafted wasn't because of his skill level.
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            • #21
              We'll know soon enough
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #22
                I'd feel bittersweet because yea we lost a great player but we'd still at the very least we'd get a 1st because he's a RFA. Not to mention Randle is more of an outside receiver and We still need to pay Nicks, Jernigan is waiting in the wings and you see what happens when guys on this team get their opportunity.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by NorwoodBlue View Post
                  I think if he goes to another team he could be exposed as another one of those guys who fit into this system and was complimented by the guys around him. He could very well be a flop elsewhere. He has definite value for the Giants; but if they lose him and still have Nicks and Randle, I don't see the end of the world. There's a reason Cruz went undrafted, and other teams saw his production when Nicks was playing when he shouldn't have been. If some other team throws big money at him, unfortunately we've got to let him go. We'll get some compensation in the draft, and we'll move on.
                  Undrafted? Seriously?
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    Other teams, including the Jets were salivating when we had to bring in an emergency kicker which should have sent Cruz to the waiver wire. He'd had a minor hamstring issue so they were able to put him on IR for which they were investigated. Cruz wants to be here, but why should he take a one year deal at $2+M if there is a team willing to sign him long term for 5 times that amount for 4/5 years?
                    like i said a fair contract. I was thinking a 4 or 5 yr deal @ 6-8 Mil . I like Cruz and i hope we can get a deal reached, but he doesn't deserve Calvin Johnson type money.

                    As far as the Jets or any other teams go, they wouldn't even know who he was if we didn't bring him into training camp. They only knew about him because of the breakout pre-season game when Rex was drooling

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      Undrafted? Seriously?
                      WTF? He was undrafted, that's just a fact. It's also probable that he would have been cut by most teams in the league, and never made a roster but for one preseason game against the Jets. Cruz has been incredibly fortunate to fall into just the right situation on the Giants. Also, without Hixon's injury in 2011 this could have been a whole different story. And after seeing his performances when Nicks was the walking wounded, it's not a stretch at all to say he's benefited a ton from the system, Eli, and Nicks. I don't think the guy walks on water, and I think his future with some other organization isn't a guaranteed success like a lot of people assume. I think he'd be a fool to leave; but if he does, we'll survive.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
                        I respect your opinion Roanoke, but i disagree. We were the only team to give this kid a shot...if Jerry Reese makes him a fair offer and he out prices himself asking for Calvin Johnson type money then i think that's wrong.

                        and i wasn't comparing the two situations. I meant if he leaves for mega money his career might take a downfall as he won't have Eli throwing him the ball anymore. Just like Smith's career took a ****
                        Smith's career took a nose dive because of a serious injury. He was smart to take the money from the Eagles.

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                        • #27
                          Cruz is a pro bowl type player and it would suck if he was left to go to another team.....
                          "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                          You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                            Smith's career took a nose dive because of a serious injury. He was smart to take the money from the Eagles.
                            He was out of choices - the dumb move was not taking the offer the Giants made him when he was healthy. It was rumored at around 35 million and he decided to test the market after another year, didnt count on getting hurt and had to claw at the 4 mil the eagles gave him.

                            Smart or hardly any other choice?

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                            • #29
                              although i dont think the Giants will let Cruz walk but even if the conversation came up i think Eli would have some input on that decision.

                              if he did leave it would be a huge lost and i expect all Giants' fans would demand an explanation.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                                He was out of choices - the dumb move was not taking the offer the Giants made him when he was healthy. It was rumored at around 35 million and he decided to test the market after another year, didnt count on getting hurt and had to claw at the 4 mil the eagles gave him.

                                Smart or hardly any other choice?
                                I agree . . . should have taken the big money when he had the chance but he rolled the dice and lost (as opposed to Flacco who has apparently rolled the dice and won).

                                Once that ship sailed though, it was smart for him to take the $3M from the Eagles instead of the Giants $1M offer.

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