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  • Originally posted by Drez View Post
    Truer words have never been spoken.
    Reese is going to figure it out
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
      Reese is going to figure it out
      I sure hope so. I hope it happens before he hits the market, that should keep the money down a little bit.

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      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
        I sure hope so. I hope it happens before he hits the market, that should keep the money down a little bit.
        It's been quiet, which is usually a good sign.

        We freak out because we don't understand how it all fits together. Reese does this for a lving and knows things we can only guess at, like who he intends to release.
        Last edited by RoanokeFan; 01-28-2013, 09:00 PM.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
          Webster, Tuck and Diehl come off the books next year, there could be a bit more room to move.
          Yeah but won't they have to take care of JPP and Joseph too? Hope they can keep Nicks and Cruz but it just seems like they are both going to get paid well and they have other players that will need to be taken care of as well.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            How do you "know" what he's asking for?
            The answer?............. Just like the rest of us, you have no idea.
            These are not public negotiations.
            Obviously he's asking for money the Giants think is too much because he still has no deal after saying in an interview back in the middle of the season that the structure of the deal was already worked out! clean the crap out of your ears, because Cruz has stated many times that he considers himself among the top receivers in the NFL, and last time I checked, they all make "great player" money! But then again, you are smarter than everyone else, but thats just dumb **** me calling you smart....and according to you, i don't know **** anyway.
            "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

            John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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            • Originally posted by bigblue58 View Post
              Obviously he's asking for money the Giants think is too much because he still has no deal after saying in an interview back in the middle of the season that the structure of the deal was already worked out! clean the crap out of your ears, because Cruz has stated many times that he considers himself among the top receivers in the NFL, and last time I checked, they all make "great player" money! But then again, you are smarter than everyone else, but thats just dumb **** me calling you smart....and according to you, i don't know **** anyway.
              He said he sees himself as one of the top receivers in the NFL? He really said that out of his own mouth? Please show me where he said that.

              And just because they structured a deal, doesn't mean they were talking about contract negotiations and actual prices. Why would the Giants do that before FA and the draft?.

              Also, stop blasting other people just because they don't agree with your opinions.
              Mood: WOOF!

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              • Read the articles, not just the headlines. Neither Cruz, his management, nor the Giants have floated any numbers. Any dollar values that have been bandied about have been pure speculation.

                The only fact in this matter is that the Giants haven't re-signed him yet.

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                • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                  Read the articles, not just the headlines. Neither Cruz, his management, nor the Giants have floated any numbers. Any dollar values that have been bandied about have been pure speculation.

                  The only fact in this matter is that the Giants haven't re-signed him yet.
                  Some of you need to read this, and comprehend it.
                  Mood: WOOF!

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                  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                    Some of you need to read this, and comprehend it.
                    Don't think anyone says they know for sure but the odds are that he wants to get paid well. It's just the nature of the business.

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                    • http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...qMvKqFlZLrp39M

                      Ok I know we have all seen this article before. And I know it just speculates what Cruz will ask for. But if you look again in the middle of the article where it lists the contracts of a few other WR's, all of which Cruz compares to very favorably, you have to think he is going to be looking for similar money. Honestly, if he wasn't then his agent is doing a bad job. Face it, I think they will sign him, but it's going to cost a lot.
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                      • Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                        http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giant...qMvKqFlZLrp39M

                        Ok I know we have all seen this article before. And I know it just speculates what Cruz will ask for. But if you look again in the middle of the article where it lists the contracts of a few other WR's, all of which Cruz compares to very favorably, you have to think he is going to be looking for similar money. Honestly, if he wasn't then his agent is doing a bad job. Face it, I think they will sign him, but it's going to cost a lot.
                        IF he asks for too much than we can handle then they might test him in the FA market, but everything as of right now is speculation.
                        Mood: WOOF!

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                        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                          IF he asks for too much than we can handle then they might test him in the FA market, but everything as of right now is speculation.
                          Agreed total speculation. But his agent is def gonna say look at all these other WR's. you are better than most of them. You deserve to get paid at least what their making. Then Victor can say yeah you're right, or he can say "I don't care, just make sure I'm a Giant!"

                          What do you think he will do?
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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            Top 15 in yards. Top 10 in catches. Top 10 in TD's.The math is what it is. If you consider that there are at least 64 starting WR's in the NFL (and there are more) that makes his season WELL above average.
                            Yes Victor Cruz had an average season for a top tier wide reciever. Yes he did have decent stats. However, those stats must be put in perspective just like folks do with Eli Manning. The same as Eli Manning, Victor Cruz' stats were very misleading. He played horribly in key situations and was short arming it for 4 games after the Ryan Clark hit, which was a legal hit. Victor Cruz was near the top for dropped passes by WRs in NFL in 2012. Some of those drops were in critical situations. Victors performance this season was on par with Elis.Victor will not get Larry Fitz or MegaTron money. However, I expe t him to get between 5-6 million per seaaon and I hope we are able to keep him.

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                            • Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                              Agreed total speculation. But his agent is def gonna say look at all these other WR's. you are better than most of them. You deserve to get paid at least what their making. Then Victor can say yeah you're right, or he can say "I don't care, just make sure I'm a Giant!"What do you think he will do?
                              I don't know what he will do. He really likes the Giants, and if he likes them that much then I can see 4-5 million a year, not too shabby.
                              Mood: WOOF!

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                              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                                I don't know what he will do. He really likes the Giants, and if he likes them that much then I can see 4-5 million a year, not too shabby.
                                Honestly I hope you're right. I really do. But he could probably get almost double that on the open market. That's a pretty big hometown discount.
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