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  • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
    This is why I was saying in the other thread if hey signed Cruz they would have to par ways with Nicks. How are they going to keep two WR's that will be getting big time offers? Then the following year they will need to worry about JPP and Joseph.
    This years draft will be huge. I expect DT and DEs. Cofield, while being a much better player then Joseph, Joseph will still command a hefty salary. I doubt he stays a Giant. JPP will break the bank.
    http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

    Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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    • Originally posted by ShakeandBake View Post
      Those are the stats I have been looking at. For example someone who has very similar numbers in all 3 of those categories this year is Mike Williams out of Tampa or Crabtree. I think both of those guys are good receivers however I don't consider them to be the creme of the crop. Don't get me wrong, I love Cruz, I just don't think the world is going to come crashing down if he somehow doesn't come back next year unlike some of the chicken little's on this board.
      +1.
      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

      Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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      • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        You said it. That's how you described him all day yesterday.
        No, I said his stats this year where average.

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        • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
          This years draft will be huge. I expect DT and DEs. Cofield, while being a much better player then Joseph, Joseph will still command a hefty salary. I doubt he stays a Giant. JPP will break the bank.
          Wasn't Joseph ranked much higher than Cofield last year?

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          • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
            If Cruz is signed tis year he is getting paid well. He is not playing for cheap because he likes it here. So how exactly will they sign Nicks the next season? Don't forget about JPP and Joseph soon after that.
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            What prevents them from signing Nicks assuming they want him in 2014 and beyond?
            There's a reason why there are very few teams that have 2 high priced WRs. It just doesn't make sense to have that much locked up at one position. Having to resign JPP, Nicks, Cruz, and then Eli. That an enormous chunk of our cap invested into 4 players. People were complaining about our oline and linebackers let alone the rest of the dline. We'll have no money left. We'll have to hope that we come up with really really great drafts. If we don't, then we'll turn into the Jets with a handful of players eating up all their cap space.

            Edit: Theoretically, say if Nicks/Cruz command top dollar. I might very well be cool with sacrificing one of them for 2 really good olinemen or 1 stud LT. I know we all love our potent WR group, but I think we may benefit more from a more sturdy ofline that we can run/protect Eli with.
            Last edited by gumby74; 01-29-2013, 08:49 AM.
            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

            Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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            • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
              No, I said his stats this year where average.
              C'mon Buddy. Man up and admit it.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                C'mon Buddy. Man up and admit it.
                Admit what?

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                • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                  +1.
                  did you check out the video? Ill post it again. This is for all the people who think cruz is limited to only making plays when he has separation, or thinking cruz isnt tough.



                  Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                  Toughness. The ability to make a catch in traffic with guys draped all over him.
                  No more talking. im just going to let the tape speak for itself. Then listen to the excuses.

                  1. watch from 0.40 seconds to 0.50 seconds.
                  2. watch from 1:16 to 1:25
                  3. watch from 1:35 to 1:40
                  4. watch from 2:39 to 2:43
                  5. watch from 3:10 to 3:20 ( this one is my favorite)
                  6. As a matter a fact go to 3:25. Cruz is not even lined up in the slot. hes wide left in the eye formation and lined up 1v1 against tramon Williams (one of the better corners in this league)





                  There are more plays like those from cruz which arent in this video. For example


                  Cruz is more than just a traditional slot receiver. he is a hybrid who can also be effective lined up on the outside and he can go up and get the ball at its highest point.
                  Last edited by Marvelousmik; 01-29-2013, 09:45 AM.
                  Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                  ~Big Mike~

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                  • The Colts did it with Harrison and Wayne; I can see the other Manning keeping his high-priced toys as well.

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                    • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                      If Cruz is signed tis year he is getting paid well. He is not playing for cheap because he likes it here. So how exactly will they sign Nicks the next season? Don't forget about JPP and Joseph soon after that.
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      What prevents them from signing Nicks assuming they want him in 2014 and beyond?
                      Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                      There's a reason why there are very few teams that have 2 high priced WRs. It just doesn't make sense to have that much locked up at one position. Having to resign JPP, Nicks, Cruz, and then Eli. That an enormous chunk of our cap invested into 4 players. People were complaining about our oline and linebackers let alone the rest of the dline. We'll have no money left. We'll have to hope that we come up with really really great drafts. If we don't, then we'll turn into the Jets with a handful of players eating up all their cap space.

                      Edit: Theoretically, say if Nicks/Cruz command top dollar. I might very well be cool with sacrificing one of them for 2 really good olinemen or 1 stud LT. I know we all love our potent WR group, but I think we may benefit more from a more sturdy ofline that we can run/protect Eli with.
                      You sure about that? When they re-signed Wayne, they let Harrison walk. They didn't re-sign both of them.
                      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                      Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                      • They signed Harrison in 2004, and Wayne in 2006. Harrison left after 2008.

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                        • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                          Admit what?
                          That you were suggesting that Cruz was average.
                          (The rationalization that saying that his productivity is average but that doesn't mean your saying HE is average is a reach at best.)
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                            There's a reason why there are very few teams that have 2 high priced WRs. It just doesn't make sense to have that much locked up at one position. Having to resign JPP, Nicks, Cruz, and then Eli. That an enormous chunk of our cap invested into 4 players. People were complaining about our oline and linebackers let alone the rest of the dline. We'll have no money left. We'll have to hope that we come up with really really great drafts. If we don't, then we'll turn into the Jets with a handful of players eating up all their cap space.

                            Edit: Theoretically, say if Nicks/Cruz command top dollar. I might very well be cool with sacrificing one of them for 2 really good olinemen or 1 stud LT. I know we all love our potent WR group, but I think we may benefit more from a more sturdy ofline that we can run/protect Eli with.
                            I agree. Reese drafted Randle last year because he saw the day coming where either Nicks or Cruz might have to go.

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                            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              That you were suggesting that Cruz was average.(The rationalization that saying that his productivity is average but that doesn't mean your saying HE is average is a reach at best.)
                              So because he had an average season he is average? Why is that?

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                              • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                                So because he had an average season he is average? Why is that?
                                OK.......Go ahead and stick with that rap.

                                I tried to appeal to your better angels and failed.
                                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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