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  • #76
    Originally posted by Drez View Post
    Sorry, Nicks was the one drawing coverage away leaving things open for MM, Cruz, and Ballard. The problem with this year's offense was much more a hobbled Nicks than not having MM. Not to say that MM didn't perform better than Hixon/Randle, he did, but he wasn't a lynch pin to the offense in any way.
    I mean, in his role as #3, he could do more than the guys the team had this season. Defenses had to account for his long game - Hixon, Barden and Randle (at least initially) didn't possess one. There was no solid #3 this season, Manningham's worth really wasn't apparent until he was gone. I'm not saying he was integral to the offense's success, but he certainly wasn't detriment to it.
    I think Randle progressed slower than the coaches had anticipated. Had he clicked earlier, Manningham's absence wouldn't have been as noticeable.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
      I think Randle progressed slower than the coaches had anticipated. Had he clicked earlier, Manningham's absence wouldn't have been as noticeable.

      Yes. Because Coughlin always anticipates great things from his rookies and gives them every chance to succeed.

      In all seriousness, I think you're right that the NYG needed a #3 WR all year, which was made even worse with Nicks' injuries. Couldn't resist taking a quick shot at Tom's distrust of rookies though...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
        I disagree. Cruz - Nicks - JPP. These contracts will all have to be structured in such a way that ensures the cap will not be blown out by such a small number of players. I doubt Reese is trying to work Cruz in without thinking about the other franchise signings he'll have to make in the near future.
        Nicks isn't a FA until 2014 and he has 20+ free agents to consider re-signing now.. Nothing is impossible, but the CAP space dictates just how much you can get done in one season.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Drez View Post
          Sorry, Nicks was the one drawing coverage away leaving things open for MM, Cruz, and Ballard. The problem with this year's offense was much more a hobbled Nicks than not having MM. Not to say that MM didn't perform better than Hixon/Randle, he did, but he wasn't a lynch pin to the offense in any way.
          This. And actually Hixon 2012 outperformed MM 2011. The problem was Nicks being injured. Hixon can play well at #3, but not at #1 or #2. Neither could MM for that matter.

          I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            Nicks isn't a FA until 2014 and he has 20+ free agents to consider re-signing now.. Nothing is impossible, but the CAP space dictates just how much you can get done in one season.
            Exactly, RF.

            Many people may not know that Eli's cap hit in 2013, as it stands right now, is in the area of $20 mil. Thats just ONE guy. The ceiling for 2013 is projected to be in the area of $120 mil. 20+ free agents as it currently stands, and they're already over by close to $5 mil. Reese can not put all of his eggs in one basket by signing Cruz to a monster, cap busting deal with so many other major needs at other positions. WR's wont mean a thing if the Oline isn't addressed, since I doubt very highly that Eli will be throwing many passes from the ground, at least to his own players.

            I'd hate to see him walk, but it IS a business, and I daresay that not one of us would turn down a few million dollars from somewhere else to stay at our current place of employment. Not one. Loyalty doesn't pay the bills.

            I'd also like to add that if he left, it would most definitely have a huge impact on this offense. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Barden and Jernigan, who are both UFA's now, have proven absolutely nothing in their time here. Hixon has made a handful of plays here and there, and was a decent return man now and then, but he can hardly be counted on to put up Cruz' type of numbers in a bigger role, regardless of who is throwing him the ball. Add to the fact that we have no clue what Nicks is going to look like next season after his injuries. All of a sudden, signing Cruz sounds like a no-brainer, right? Again, what about the other needs though? Its more complicated than the average Joe believes

            Jerry Reese is most certainly in an unenviable position right about now.
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            • #81
              If he goes he won't have the same success as with the Giants. He fits right into the system and QB. Look at Steve Smith as a rookie. Since he left he has not been the same. Cruz will get a big pay day but not the success and after a year or 2 the team will realize he's not worth the money.
              Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!

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              • #82
                Reuben Randle in his limited playing time this year had stats that were actually better than 2011 Mario Manningham. Randle hit for 3 TD, Manningham had 4 playing all 2011. Randle's YPC was 15.7 vs. Manningham's 13.4. Manningham had more raw yardage; but he played a heck of a lot more.

                If we'd have lost the NFC championship game on 2011, Manningham would have been run out of town on a rail for dropping a sure touchdown pass late in the game. As it turned out we still won that game, and Manningham became a great player in people's minds for his Super Bowl catch. The reality is that Maningham didn't play to level of his legend.

                I'm excited to see the Nicks-Randle combination in 2013. If Cruz is there, all the better; but I have a feeling that Reuben Randle may be a bright enough star in the Giants future that they may have to pass on Cruz if the money gets too high.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Spytheweb View Post
                  If he goes he won't have the same success as with the Giants. He fits right into the system and QB. Look at Steve Smith as a rookie. Since he left he has not been the same. Cruz will get a big pay day but not the success and after a year or 2 the team will realize he's not worth the money.
                  You have no way of knowing this. The guy obviously has the talent, so what makes you think he cant succeed anywhere else? He has an incredible knack of getting open, and has made some very tough catches in some very tricky spots. That kind of thing cant be taught.
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                  • #84
                    It simply cannot happen. We would survive but I see no reason why we wouldn't sign him. We have overpaid guys like Canty and Rolle who I would gladly cut way before I said I could not resign Cruz for whatever the hell he wanted. Same with Nicks.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Die-Hard View Post
                      You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise. Barden and Jernigan, who are both UFA's now, have proven absolutely nothing in their time here.
                      Jernigan is not a free agent until 2015...he signed a 4 year deal in 2011. He just finished his second season, and the first he barely haad any ota's and a shortened training camp. I think this kid could help the team, he just hasn't had much of a chance to play with a very good Cruz in front of him at the slot position.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
                        Jernigan is not a free agent until 2015...he signed a 4 year deal in 2011. He just finished his second season, and the first he barely haad any ota's and a shortened training camp. I think this kid could help the team, he just hasn't had much of a chance to play with a very good Cruz in front of him at the slot position.
                        What has Jernigan showed you so far to make you think so?
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
                          Jernigan is not a free agent until 2015...he signed a 4 year deal in 2011. He just finished his second season, and the first he barely haad any ota's and a shortened training camp. I think this kid could help the team, he just hasn't had much of a chance to play with a very good Cruz in front of him at the slot position.
                          I stand corrected. However, what I have seen of him, limited or not, has not impressed me. The guy is a healthy scratch 90% of the time, and he couldn't even beat out Ramses Barden on a few occasions. You may be right in that with a chance, he could be something worthwhile as a WR, but I have yet to see even a slight glimpse of it.
                          The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd - Bertrand Russell

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
                            Jernigan is not a free agent until 2015...he signed a 4 year deal in 2011. He just finished his second season, and the first he barely haad any ota's and a shortened training camp. I think this kid could help the team, he just hasn't had much of a chance to play with a very good Cruz in front of him at the slot position.
                            It hasn't happened yet with Jernigan, although it could in the future. There is no one on our roster who can replace Cruz and bringing someone in starts the Eli chemistry clock at 00. Better to sign him than any of the alternatives.
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by NorwoodBlue View Post
                              Reuben Randle in his limited playing time this year had stats that were actually better than 2011 Mario Manningham. Randle hit for 3 TD, Manningham had 4 playing all 2011. Randle's YPC was 15.7 vs. Manningham's 13.4. Manningham had more raw yardage; but he played a heck of a lot more.

                              If we'd have lost the NFC championship game on 2011, Manningham would have been run out of town on a rail for dropping a sure touchdown pass late in the game. As it turned out we still won that game, and Manningham became a great player in people's minds for his Super Bowl catch. The reality is that Maningham didn't play to level of his legend.

                              I'm excited to see the Nicks-Randle combination in 2013. If Cruz is there, all the better; but I have a feeling that Reuben Randle may be a bright enough star in the Giants future that they may have to pass on Cruz if the money gets too high.
                              Randle hasn't shown enough to think he can replace Cruz just yet.
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Spytheweb View Post
                                If he goes he won't have the same success as with the Giants. He fits right into the system and QB. Look at Steve Smith as a rookie. Since he left he has not been the same. Cruz will get a big pay day but not the success and after a year or 2 the team will realize he's not worth the money.
                                Crabtree, Steve Smith, Eric Decker, Julio Jones, Lance Moore, Steve Johnson. These are all receivers within 100 yards higher or lower then Cruz's output this year.

                                You don't think he could go to these respective teams and do the same if not better than these guys?Say for instance the Pats decide to part ways w Welker and fill his slot with Cruz. You don't think he'd match the output he had with the Giants?

                                I think Cruz can go anywhere and put up about 1,000 yards with a middling qb.

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