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  • #16
    Not so fast, I believe Jenigan will be in the picture. it was very evident the Giants plan on him being part of the future. I believe in at least two games at the end of the year JJ saw the field BEFORE Randle. JJ also obviously passed Barden on the depth chart. I believe there will be 4 different WR that will interchange with the 3 wide. JJ will be one of them. Just an opinion, we all got em.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GiantRoc View Post
      Throw in splitting Wilson out, and it would really put a strain on an opponents secondary. Thats 4 guys who can take it to the house from anywhere on the field.
      with all this talk about Nicks and Cruz I forgot about Wilson. Wilson, Nicks, Cruz, Randle, and Bennett will be an awesome combination.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by titwio View Post
        He's under contract for another season and by the time the 2014 season comes along a lot of the big veteran contracts the Giants currently have won't be here or will be heavily re-structered. Boley, Canty, Webster, Deihl, Rolle, Tuck, Osi (Osi this year). The Giants should be in better against the cap by then. In reality, the Giants can't really afford to keep losing their top talent. If they lose Phillips this year and Nicks next year then the Giants front office will be majorly suspect IMO because they can't afford to pay their top talent and 1st round draft picks.

        Hopefully a lot of these pre-CBA over paid contracts are gone by then and Reese can can better manage the talent.
        It's impossible to retain all, or even most of your talent these days. JPP will warrant a monster contract. Joseph could get around 8 million a year. Philips will get 5+ million. Nicks - if healthy 8-10 million. Add on top of Eli's 20 million cap hit. What do you want to do next? that's like what a third of our cap eaten up by 4 players?

        No. Good front offices let people walk and replace them with cheaper alternatives. It's all about value these days and less about "retaining talent". If you try and retain all your talent, you'll be broke after 8 players.
        http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
        http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

        Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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        • #19
          Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
          It's impossible to retain all, or even most of your talent these days. JPP will warrant a monster contract. Joseph could get around 8 million a year. Philips will get 5+ million. Nicks - if healthy 8-10 million. Add on top of Eli's 20 million cap hit. What do you want to do next? that's like what a third of our cap eaten up by 4 players?

          No. Good front offices let people walk and replace them with cheaper alternatives. It's all about value these days and less about "retaining talent". If you try and retain all your talent, you'll be broke after 8 players.
          I'm not saying Phillips will stay...I'm saying if they lose both him AND Nicks then they're are not wisely attaining their talent. Joseph won't get 8 million a year...sorry, no. Cofield didn't even get that on the Redskins and they over pay everyone. Your are right about JPP though and he'll be the biggest obstacle. Good news about him is he's not an UFA till 2015. Those guys are further down the road anyway. The new CBA is very helpful in not over spending on draft picks anyway so once the Giants clear most of the pre-CBA bs there will be a lot more room to maneuver.
          "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Captain Chaos View Post
            We need better play at Tackle to give him better opportunities...
            agree, until we get a RT who can block then Bennett will be more of a blocker than receiver..

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            • #21
              Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
              How do you plan on paying everyone else? Most teams don't payout for 2 WRs for a reason.
              That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                  That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.
                  i agree. but i also think gumbys point is true to an extent. its not like we're trying to keep 2 calvin johnsons tho, we're trying to keep 2 wr's who've played solely with eli manning...elis made a lot of wrs look good remember, whose to say that nicks n cruz dont reach the same level playing for another qb?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                    How do you plan on paying everyone else? Most teams don't payout for 2 WRs for a reason.
                    Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                    That's one big reason why most teams don't win the super bowl. When you have three quality WR's, it's much harder on the defense. As Belichek said in the Super Bowl, "double Cruz and Nicks and make Manningham beat us". Manningham beat them.
                    What about the oline? What about the dline? What good is having 2 high paid WRs if you don't have time to throw? This doesn't include our defense being pretty awful. Most teams who have multiple good WRS have one main "high paid stud guy" and the rest are on their rookie contracts.
                    http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                    Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by titwio View Post
                      I'm not saying Phillips will stay...I'm saying if they lose both him AND Nicks then they're are not wisely attaining their talent. Joseph won't get 8 million a year...sorry, no. Cofield didn't even get that on the Redskins and they over pay everyone. Your are right about JPP though and he'll be the biggest obstacle. Good news about him is he's not an UFA till 2015. Those guys are further down the road anyway. The new CBA is very helpful in not over spending on draft picks anyway so once the Giants clear most of the pre-CBA bs there will be a lot more room to maneuver.
                      I think Cofield got 8 million a year on the skins. Gibril Wilson made 5 million. KP will command just as much. Nicks if healhty will command god knows how much. Let's say 10 million. So between KP and Nicks let's say it's 16 million. That's a lot of money. You can buy a solid offensive line what that money. Or 2 stud olinemen. I'd argue that a solid oline that gives us a running game and gives Eli all day to throw is worth more than 2 players. We can do a lot with 16 million. imo, if we resign both, we'd be making a huge mistake. i also think resigning both Nicks and Cruz to large contracts is a big mistake.

                      We better draft well or find more Stevie Browns, this year and next. Otherwise, we're going to be in big trouble.
                      http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                      http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                      http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                      Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jomo View Post
                        We also need an OL that can give Eli some additional time.
                        This is critical is we are to be back min the hunt in 2013.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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